Re: wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons
Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Thu, 22 September 2022 19:10 UTC
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 21:10:24 +0200
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
Cc: Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org>, Greg Wood <ghwood@staff.ietf.org>, WG Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons
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I do remember some IESG members suggesting us to experiment with living documents so that we are not stuck ONLY with our current quite tedious -bis process we have for updating RFCs. I also think to remember that we had the concerns of "killing" *.ietf.org URLS through the ongoing improvements to our infratructure, when those URLs have been widely circulated and are thus assumed to be stable. Aka: there already is a good amount of expectation if not desire to keep some subset of *.ietf.org URLs stable wrt to the "type" of content they have (not necessarily unmodifyable). I would not understand, why wiki.ietf.org/<something> should not be considered to be as "stable" URLs as en.wikipedia.org/<something> - for some well defined <something>. There are 125 references to such en.wikipedia.org URLs in RFC. So why not simply do the same for wiki.ietf.org ? Aka: at best it seems as if wiki.ietf.org is "wide open" wrt to any structure for <something> and we may want to have some plan for what to use for <something> for such cases. Cheers toerless On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 01:50:13PM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: > Hi Kyle - that's a pretty unusual request, and no, the wiki isn't the right > tool. > > I'm a little surprised by the structure proposed here - I assume there's > been a conversation where the IESG has been involved? I'd like to visit with > you and the responsible AD to build a little more context. > > RjS > > On 9/22/22 1:31 PM, Kyle Rose wrote: > > Greg, > > > > The authors of a doc in MOPS imminently need to set up a live page > > with a stable URL referenced in a (currently in AUTH48) RFC. Ideally, > > this URL would point to a hostname within the ietf.org domain, > > resolving to an IETF-owned system that responds with a 302 to a > > different (updateable) URL where the actual live content lives. Is the > > wiki appropriate for this kind of thing, or is there another option > > that is even more appropriate? Using the wiki gives me slight pause, > > in the sense that these kinds of CMSes tend not to live forever; but > > with the URL in ietf.org, a future non-wiki system could at least > > provide the same redirection functionality. > > > > Thoughts or suggestions? > > > > Kyle > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 9:37 PM Greg Wood <ghwood@staff.ietf.org> wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > > > The site wiki.ietf.org provides wikis for IETF-related groups and meetings. If you help lead an IETF or IRTF group (e.g. working group, research group, or directorate) that currently maintains or is contemplating creating a wiki to support your work, there are several resources now available to help set up your new wiki: > > > > > > + A dedicated page about contributing to wiki.ietf.org: > > > > > > https://wiki.ietf.org/contributing > > > > > > + A persistent Zulip channel at: > > > > > > https://zulip.ietf.org/#narrow/stream/352-wiki-ietf-org > > > > > > + Several upcoming content-o-thons: > > > These informal online gatherings provide dedicated time to move or create content on(to) the new IETF wiki platform. They aim to help: > > > > > > + move existing group wikis to the new platform, > > > + gather feedback on site-wide features and other aspects as people gain experience with the platform, and > > > + identify and develop resources to help create and maintain wikis. > > > > > > Here are details (with .ics files attached): > > > > > > Virtual Content-o-thon on 29 September at 1400 UTC > > > https://ietf.zoom.us/j/3671772413?pwd=TzhsaTNXcHhVYTRRMWEwUml3WnhwQT09 > > > > > > Virtual Content-o-thon on 18 October at 2200 UTC > > > https://ietf.zoom.us/j/3671772413?pwd=TzhsaTNXcHhVYTRRMWEwUml3WnhwQT09 > > > > > > After the successful hybrid content-o-thon at IETF 114, we’re planing to hold one during IETF 115. Details will be confirmed shortly. > > > > > > As previously shared [2], content across instances of the old IETF wiki platform (Trac) will be maintained in archives. The current timeline anticipates turning down Trac instances in November 2022. > > > > > > Please let me know if I can provide additional information. > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > -- > > > Greg Wood > > > IETF LLC > > > +1-703-625-3917 > > > > > > > > > [1] https://js.wiki > > > [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/wgchairs/AB_HgAiQXmg0tbgwzvrVUZ8tk3c/ > > > -- --- tte@cs.fau.de
- wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Greg Wood
- Re: wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Bob Hinden
- Re: wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Toerless Eckert
- Re: wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Greg Wood
- Re: wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Robert Sparks
- Re: wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Michael Richardson
- Re: wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Michael Richardson
- Re: wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Bob Hinden
- Re: wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Greg Wood
- Re: wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Robert Sparks
- RE: wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons bruno.decraene
- Re: [irsg] wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Lars Eggert
- Re: [irsg] wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Mat Ford
- Re: [irsg] wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Robert Sparks
- Re: [irsg] wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Bob Hinden
- Re: wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Kyle Rose
- Re: wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Robert Sparks
- Re: wiki.ietf.org and content-o-thons Toerless Eckert