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"Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com> Fri, 06 May 2022 08:56 UTC

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From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>
To: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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Hello Fred

That would be useful but cannot cover the final content of the work. 
Even with honest writers, some ideas come and are integrated later in the process. 
I do not see that we can ask this to every author on every publication, though there could be a mandatory check-box for at least the author that publishes.
Also when an author is added your proposal would need to be triggered as well.

Keep safe;

Pascal


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> From: WGChairs <wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Fred Baker
> Sent: vendredi 6 mai 2022 2:47
> To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
> Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>; IETF WG Chairs
> <wgchairs@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [irsg] New document shepherd writeup
> 
> From my perspective, the thing to do is have an automated message sent to
> listed authors and contributors asking about IPR when a draft is filed. It
> gets posted when all of the replies have been received.
> 
> Sent using a machine that autocorrects in interesting ways...
> 
> > On May 5, 2022, at 5:03 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 6. May 2022, at 01:54, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> This whole thread confuses me.
> >>
> >> Isn't the reason to subject everyone to repeated instances of
> >> NoteWell specifically so that they will know they have to declare IPR?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> >> (I'm not even sure I understand why we ask authors again, given that)
> >
> > Because humans don’t always do what we think they should, much less so
> always right away.
> >
> > Having a milestone where they are compelled to say they are, indeed, now in
> compliance is good.
> > Having collected this statement is also great for the courts (which is why
> I don’t understand that we don’t have a defined way to collect it).
> >
> > My question was how large that class should be, and what should happen if
> not everyone in the class responds.
> > With authors, the game is clear: no declaration of compliance, no
> authorship of an RFC.
> > With other contributors, not so much.
> > And it puts a chilling effect on identifying contributors (and their
> contributions!), which is actually counterproductive.
> >
> > Grüße, Carsten
> >

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