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"Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com> Mon, 26 October 2020 18:36 UTC

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From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>
To: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
CC: WG Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>, RFC Interest <rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org>, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
Subject: Re: [irsg] Resending: Page numbers in RFCs questions / preferences
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On 10/26/20, 2:26 PM, "WGChairs on behalf of Warren Kumari" <wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of warren@kumari.net> wrote:

    On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 1:45 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
    >
    > On 2020-10-26, at 16:04, David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > Obviously, with canonical XML, there is no good solution to this problem:
    > >
    > > It's not clear what problem you are referring to.
    >
    > The problem will become very evident once you get an RFP asking that your product implement the procedure on page 68 of RFC 9815.

    Yup -- I've already run into this sort of thing when talking with
    authors and others -- I used to be able to say things like "Erm,
    section 3, um... just above the bottom of the page..." and now it
    involves much more quoting, etc.
    I also liked to collect stats on documents that I review -- e.g:
    (7,635 pages, ~31" / 79cm / 15 reams of single-sided paper).
    Gamifying reviews makes them easier...


    I really like the concept / history / continuity of RFCs being the
    same over these many years; I didn't really participate in the v3
    discussions, and am sad that the page numbers and similar have
    changed...

I wasn't involved in the RFC format discussion either but can't see how removing the pagination could have been seen as an advantage. Additionally, it is annoying that the htmlized version don't provide links to sections/sub-sections from TOC. 

Thanks,
Acee


    W

    >
    > You cannot really argue this based on whether people SHOULD be using section numbers etc.  This is a real downside in the real world.
    >
    > Now whether that downside is overriding all the other upsides of having page numbers, can be a subject of discussion.
    >
    > Grüße, Carsten
    >


    -- 
    I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
    idea in the first place.
    This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
    regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
    of pants.
       ---maf

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