Re: [BOFChairs] Proposed IESG statement on referencing documents behind a paywall
Heather Flanagan <rse@rfc-editor.org> Tue, 18 June 2019 12:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [BOFChairs] Proposed IESG statement on referencing documents behind a paywall
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 15:29:47 +0300
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Hi Sean, Unless the tools are created to automatically check the references against this registry so the RFC Editor can automatically add the annotation to the reference, I would rather not have a registry that requires readers to either get unexpected blocked when trying to access the article or require them to go check a registry to see if access is expected to be denied. I’m not sure if that’s what you’re thinking wrt a registry? -Heather > On Jun 18, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote: > > Just thinking down the road a bit … If more than one draft refers to the same document that is behind the paywall does the LC need to include the text again or can we do something like create a PAYWALLREF registry? > > spt > >> On Jun 12, 2019, at 18:00, Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi chairs, >> In the past we have dealt with a few drafts that have had normative references to paywalled documents and we have dealt with them on a case-by-case basis (usually during or after IETF last call). In order to get the working groups involved earlier in the process, the IESG is working on issuing a statement on how to deal with such drafts and we would greatly appreciate input from WG chairs on this topic. This is the proposed text of the statement >> >> *** START TEXT *** >> >> As described in Section 7.1 of RFC 2026, RFCs may have normative >> references on external standards. >> >> In some cases, however, those references are themselves not generally >> available (for instance, they might be accessible only after paying >> a fee). This can interfere both with the ability of implementers >> to implement the protocol as well as with the ability of the IETF >> community to review it. >> >> In such cases: >> >> 1. The WG MUST be explicitly informed of any such normative reference >> and the WG MUST reach consensus that it is acceptable. The >> document shepherd MUST include this information in the shepherd >> writeup. >> >> 2. The reference MUST be explicitly noted as part of the IETF Last >> Call. If such a note is omitted, the last call MUST be repeated >> after including it. >> >> *** END TEXT *** >> >> Please go over this text and let me know if you have any concerns, comments, or additions by 2019/06/26. >> >> Thanks >> Suresh > > _______________________________________________ > BOFChairs mailing list > BOFChairs@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bofchairs
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Stephen Farrell
- Proposed IESG statement on referencing documents … Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Fred Baker
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Bernie Volz (volz)
- RE: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… tobias.gondrom
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Salz, Rich
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [EXTERNAL] [BOFChairs] Proposed IESG statemen… Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
- Re: [EXTERNAL] [BOFChairs] Proposed IESG statemen… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: [BOFChairs] Proposed IESG statement on refere… Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Karen O'Donoghue
- Re: [EXTERNAL] [BOFChairs] Proposed IESG statemen… Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [BOFChairs] Proposed IESG statement on refere… Heather Flanagan
- RE: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Linda Dunbar
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [BOFChairs] Proposed IESG statement on refere… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [BOFChairs] Proposed IESG statement on refere… Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: [EXTERNAL] [BOFChairs] Proposed IESG statemen… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Salz, Rich
- RE: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Black, David
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Sean Turner
- Re: [BOFChairs] Proposed IESG statement on refere… Heather Flanagan
- Re: [BOFChairs] Proposed IESG statement on refere… Sean Turner
- Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Keith Drage
- RE: Proposed IESG statement on referencing docume… Roni Even (A)