Re: Fix made to https://chairs.ietf.org/en/documents/document-shepherding

Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> Mon, 04 November 2024 14:52 UTC

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From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2024 09:52:30 -0500
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Subject: Re: Fix made to https://chairs.ietf.org/en/documents/document-shepherding
To: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
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It was my impression that an author or editor of a document could not be
the Shepherd and I've always acted on that assumption.

Thanks,
Donald
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On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 9:47 AM Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm not sure who is the authoritative owner/source to the "IETF Chairs
> Resources" but there was an error on
> https://chairs.ietf.org/en/documents/document-shepherding - that I just
> fixed.  The text now say:
>
> It is encouraged for a Shepherd to not be a Chair of the working group.
> The Shepherd should have strong understanding of the document content, is
> familiar with the document history, and is familiar with the IETF standards
> process. The Document Shepherd of a working group document should not be an
> author or editor of the document.
>
> Which is based on the IESG statement (
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-iesg-statement-on-document-shepherds-20101011/
> ):
>
> In fact, the IESG encourages the working group chair to select an active
> working group participant that has strong understanding of the document
> content, is familiar with the document history, and is familiar with the
> IETF standards process. The Document Shepherd of a working group document
> should not be an author or editor of the document.
>
> The page previously said:
>
> It is considered generally preferable for a Shepherd to not be a Chair of
> the working group,
>  or from the same organization/company as the Chair.
>
> I figured others may be interested in this change, or maybe even want to
> disagree with it.
>
> Lou
>
>
>