Re: Turning off Etherpad

[Robert Sparks <[e-mail]>]

Mark -

I want to note that your policy suggestion is being discussed. I am 
bringing it up with some frequency - I don't think that we'll have such 
a policy in the near future, but I do think we'll be working towards 
one. I will be sending a note about the expectations around the notes 
service momentarily.

RjS

On 8/10/21 8:27 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:
> My understanding was always that etherpad was a best-effort, ephemeral service; i.e., there was no guarantee (implicit or explicit) of stability or availability. That's probably the right policy, given that there able to be edited by *anyone on the Internet*.
>
> We might consider a somewhat more formal and explicit policy on service stability and availability (on a service-by-service basis), so that folks aren't surprised by this in the future. E.g., the W3C has:
>    https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Persistence
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>> On 11 Aug 2021, at 11:24 am, Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> So, what is he plan for archiving etherpad.ietf.org ?
>> Can/will the be made read-only/no new data ?
>>
>> Or is all that content that may still have URLs in emails and other places
>> pointing to it deemed to be lost except for the subset of pages that
>> where converted into IETF meeting minuts by WG chairs ?
>>
>> If all this content is meant to be lost because it is too difficult to
>> change to read-only, is this the same strategy for codimd ? Aka:
>> if you do not save it, it will be lost at some point in time ?
>>
>> If converting to read-only is too difficult, maybe the whole tree
>> can just be put up for download as a tar file for any future researchers...
>> However, i am not sure if all the content is meant to be public, or if
>> we did assume some degree of possible confidentiality because of non-searchable
>> namespace.
>>
>> Btw: I think it would be great if codimd would solve these issues:
>> You can only create new names under whatever.ietf.org/2021/<your-string-here>
>> and after 2 years the whole years directory tree turns read-only with
>> indexing/search...
>>
>> Cheers
>>     Toeless
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 06:05:34PM -0700, Fred Baker wrote:
>>> People use it in recording our minutes. Losing it would be unfortunate.
>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Robert Sparks <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Chairs -
>>>>
>>>> We are making plans to turn down etherpad.ietf.org in a few weeks. Let me know of any concerns or need for delay.
>>>>
>>>> RjS
>>>>
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