Re: Making YouTube videos work better for IETF/IRTF participants

[Spencer Dawkins at IETF <[e-mail]>]

Hi, Ian,

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 10:48 AM Ian Swett <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I think this is a good suggestion.
>
> I tried searching for 'ietf110 MASQUE' and 'ietf100 quic', and the results
> seemed quite good, but YMMV.
>

Yeah, there are things that work well. Adding a dash (the videos are
actually tagged as something like "IETF111-QUIC-") doesn't seem to reduce
false positives, and if you're searching for a meeting that didn't happen
or hasn't been uploaded yet, it's REALLY hard to figure that out.

I was searching for "IETF-111-MOPS" before it was uploaded, and I still got
LOTS of matches 😀

But fixing this for IETF and IRTF people to find things quickly, easily,
unambiguously, and "where we should already be looking for related
information" seems like a better plan than figuring out how a mutable
matching algorithm works this week ...

Best,

Spencer


> On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 10:54 AM MORTON JR., AL <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Spence wrote:
>>
>> Would your working group/research group participants find making
>> your YouTube videos helpful?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sure, it can be very helpful to review the recording,
>>
>>
>>
>> and
>>
>> ...that searching for a specific video from a specific IETF meeting
>> doesn't work super well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’d rather not to search too long for resources, either.
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* WGChairs <[e-mail]> *On Behalf Of *Spencer
>> Dawkins at IETF
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:31 AM
>> *To:* WG Chairs <[e-mail]>; [e-mail] Steering Group <
>> [e-mail]>
>> *Subject:* Making YouTube videos work better for IETF/IRTF participants
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope everyone had a lovely IETF 111, and rested up at least a little
>> before starting to read IETF e-mail.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, full disclosure,I REALLY miss having MeetEcho posting archival videos
>> that synchronized the chat with the speakers and slides, etc. but we're
>> where we are now, so I'm going with that, and want to make a positive
>> suggestion.
>>
>>
>>
>> Making our session videos available on YouTube is in many ways a good
>> thing for making them accessible to the world, but my recent experience
>> poking around at IETF videos on YouTube has been that searching for a
>> specific video from a specific IETF meeting doesn't work super well. Feel
>> free to try this, for past meetings of your own groups, and see what else
>> pops up along the way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rather than hoping that situation changes, I'm wondering if it's worth
>> putting links to IETF meeting session YouTube videos in the datatracker for
>> various groups under "Meetings", so I can "view all the past session videos
>> for QUIC, in order" without having to wander through spurious matches with
>> other videos, trying to remember if the group actually met at IETF 108, not
>> knowing whether a video has been uploaded from a session earlier in the
>> week, and stuff like that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Specifically, I'm thinking about requesting that we either add a "Meeting
>> VIdeos" selection to pages like
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/quic/meetings/
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/wg/quic/meetings/__;!!BhdT!yoI49bJgf1qpJSmPLsa1_oisx4DmSdxLVbkMKMxSaRspaLfQRULAJmcIeKRrmyY$>,
>> or just include them as part of the "Meeting Materials" for each meeting,
>> perhaps appearing with the agenda, minutes, and blue sheets at the top of
>> pages like https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/111/session/quic
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/111/session/quic__;!!BhdT!yoI49bJgf1qpJSmPLsa1_oisx4DmSdxLVbkMKMxSaRspaLfQRULAJmcIiqKfEds$>
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously, working group/research group co-chairs could add that to the
>> minutes, if they remember to do that, and are in a part of the world where
>> YouTube isn't blocked, but it would be better if that happened
>> automagically(*) when the YouTube video is uploaded, so we could pretty
>> much count on them being available. So, if I'm going to ask someone else to
>> do work, I should start with the goal in mind.
>>
>>
>>
>> Would your working group/research group participants find making
>> your YouTube videos helpful?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please share your thoughts, when you have a moment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>>
>>
>> (*) I mean "automagically from the working group/research group chair
>> perspective". I've had too many conversations with secretariat folk, Greg
>> Woods, and tools team members to think that ANYTHING around here happens by
>> accident 😀
>>
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