Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey
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From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch>, wgchairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey
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Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> wrote: > with chalked up sweaters; he had great aim). The more polite version of this > is for the chair to say, “Let's have one meeting, please." But it may also > be a signal that a topic needs more discussion time, as some may feel that > they can't get their views across in the allotted time. different neuro-types have different interaction modes. For those of us who communicate via info-dumps, no amount of "discussion" time will be helpful. And my experience "reading" URLs spoken at the MIC into my browser is pretty poor. Not only is it better than whispers and side-conversations, but given remote people, using the chat is more inclusive of remote people, non-native english speakers. Yes, some people might get distracted and not realize the meeting has moved on. That's fine. We're adults. {I used to read other books in elementary school class. Teachers initially hated it, and they made me do only one thing: pay attention to them, so I did. I asked questions. Caught errors. Like what is sqrt(-1) in grade 5, or what exactly is a "regular" verb, and why are they called regular (french) verbs when there were more irregular verbs than regular verbs, and the pattern was stronger. The teacher usually wished I hasn't asked that question at that point, because it confused the neuro-typical students. The other few atypical students (all bored) would then join in, and the teacher's lesson plan was dead. Eventually, those teachers asked me to stop paying attention, and go back to reading my train magazines. So, side conversations are exactly what I use in order to pay attention. } -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Tim Wicinski
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Michael Richardson
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Paul Wouters
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Michael Richardson
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kyle Rose
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… joel jaeggli
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Greg Wood
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Deb Cooley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Christian Hopps
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Bob Hinden
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Warren Kumari
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Wes Hardaker
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jay Daley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tero Kivinen
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 V… Tommy Jensen
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Marc Blanchet
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Alexander Stein
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jay Daley
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Jay Daley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Alexander Stein
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Salz, Rich
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jon Geater
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable)
- RE: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Susan Hares
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Donald Eastlake
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Wes Hardaker
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tero Kivinen
- Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IETF 1… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kent Watsen
- Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting sur… Jay Daley
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 V… Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable)
- RE: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Qin Wu
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Michael Richardson
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Alexander Stein
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Bob Hinden
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Warren Kumari
- Re: Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IE… Greg Wood
- Re: Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IE… Bob Hinden