Re: Thanks for the new note well
Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Tue, 04 November 2025 16:33 UTC
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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2025 17:33:00 +0100
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Benoit <benoit@claise.be>
Subject: Re: Thanks for the new note well
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I have seen no response to the suggestions i sent to ietf (subject: "better but no cigar")
So yes, i still think something stripped down along the lines of what i was
suggesting would improve readability and usability at the beginning of sessions
quite a bit.
Oh, and i wonder if it might be also useful to have some blinking subtitle
at the bottom "APPLIES TO ALSO TO IETF SIDE MEETINGS" - because i think many side
meetings still forget this and it's most easy to learn if it's also on the single
official slide.
Cheers
Toerless
On Tue, Nov 04, 2025 at 10:49:21AM -0500, Benoit wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Do you guys still use the second "Note Very Well" slide?
>
> Regards, Benoit (trying to go for some consistency here)
> > Firstly, thanks for the new note well. From my perspective, it
> > addresses many of the concerns previously raised.
> >
> > Also, the chairs should pay attention to the first link in the chairs
> > website. Specific text is supplied for talking about the note well.
> > This text addresses the concerns I had previously raised in wgchairs
> > sessions and list discussion.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > -- Jeff
> >
> >
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > > *From: *IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org>
> > > *Subject: **Announcement - New IETF Note Well October 2025*
> > > *Date: *October 23, 2025 at 5:48:01 PM EDT
> > > *To: *"IETF Announcement List" <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
> > > *Reply-To: *ietf@ietf.org
> > >
> > > A new version of the IETF Note Well has now been approved by the IESG
> > > following a comprehensive review by the IETF Executive Director and
> > > IETF Counsel. This new version improves upon the previous version in
> > > the following ways:
> > >
> > > • Moves to the top the notice that by participating in the IETF, you
> > > agree to follow IETF processes and policies
> > > • Changes the emphasis with the first substantive point being about
> > > behavior
> > > • Uses direct quotes from BCPs or text provided by counsel
> > > • Merges the two lists into one by using inline references
> > > • References individual RFCs not BCPs so that people can find the
> > > referenced document immediately.
> > >
> > > The Note Well will continue to be shown at the start of every session
> > > in an IETF Meeting and every interim meeting. The IESG has provided
> > > updated guidance to WG Chairs on what to say when presenting the Note
> > > Well [1] and the template slides have been updated.
> > >
> > > Given the short time before IETF 124 Montreal, the new version should
> > > be used if reasonably possible but if not then the old version will
> > > suffice for this meeting.
> > >
> > > The text of the new Note Well is below and the clickable version and
> > > slides are on the IETF website [2].
> > >
> > > —-
> > > By participating in the IETF you agree to follow IETF processes and
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> > > [1] https://chairs.ietf.org/en/meetings#meeting-planning-templates-guides-and-tools
> > > [2] https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
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tte@cs.fau.de
- Thanks for the new note well Jeffrey Haas
- Re: Thanks for the new note well Salz, Rich
- Re: [Ext] Thanks for the new note well Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Ext] Thanks for the new note well Tim Bray
- Re: [Ext] Thanks for the new note well Michael Richardson
- Re: [Ext] Thanks for the new note well Kyle Rose
- Re: Thanks for the new note well Dave Lawrence
- Re: [Ext] Thanks for the new note well Bob Hinden
- Re: [Ext] Thanks for the new note well Tim Chown
- Re: [Ext] Thanks for the new note well Rohan Mahy
- RE: [Ext] Thanks for the new note well Tim Hollebeek
- Re: Thanks for the new note well Benoit
- Re: Thanks for the new note well Kenneth Murchison
- Re: Thanks for the new note well Toerless Eckert