Re: problem with recent drafts on {35440727}

Stewart Bryant <> Wed, 10 March 2021 11:17 UTC

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Subject: Re: problem with recent drafts on {35440727}
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This is most disturbing.

Who is Jay’s boss?


> On 10 Mar 2021, at 11:02, Henrik Levkowetz <> wrote:
> Hi Fred,
> Someone alerted me to this.  I don't read any IETF lists any more, so
> needed the nudge:
> On 2021-03-04 20:15, Fred Baker wrote:
>>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Lou Berger <> wrote:
>>> Well this is a troubling response -- does anyone know if there's
>>> plans for I would have thought that some thought
>>> would be given to this and maybe some announcement made to the
>>> IETF. Did I miss it??? Are we just destined to the whims of bit
>>> rot?
>> I think there was an announcement that Henrik was leaving, and I
>> certainly knew that there was a conflict between him and DMS/Glen's
>> work.
> There has been no conflict between me and AMS/Glen, none at all.  There
> has been a great deal of conflict with the way the LLC Board and Jay
> has been running things and what they have put me through, and I'm deeply
> unhappy with them, but not at all with AMS or Glen.
> The latest incident was with Jay at the beginning of February, after
> the end of my contract but at a time when I was still committed to
> maintaining as I have been doing it.  That February
> encounter did however completely zap my motivation for keeping
> up, and I now just want to be able to get completely
> away from it.
> It used to give me great pleasure, thanks to the appreciation of all
> the good people in the IETF community, but now after the latest Jay
> incident it only reminds me of the pain of last year.
> Best regards,
> 	Henrik
>> What might be nice wold be if people could somehow advise the
>> LLC that they use some specific tool, and would like to see it ported
>> into the AMS toolset. I would include the ability to subscribe to a
>> meeting calendar attached to or derived from derived from the IETF
>> Agenda. I use the "tools style" calendar and subscribe to it - in
>> large part because I keep all of my calendars in one tool and have
>> calendars that are unrelated to the IETF, so the ability to subscribe
>> to a calendar that lists a subset of the meetings at a given IETF
>> meeting is very useful to me.
>> For clarity, I am attaching what my calendar looks like fr the week
>> of IETF 110, and includes IETF meetings, ICANN's prep week for ICANN
>> 070, and some work in the ITU, in addition to personal events. If I
>> have a complaint in that, it is that ICANN and ITU don't seem to see
>> the value of subscribing to a calendar, but rather send out events -
>> when then become outdated as time goes on. I would not want IETF to
>> become deficient in that respect.