IETF109 starts at noon (local time)

Michael Richardson <> Sun, 18 October 2020 00:23 UTC

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please take followups to manycouches@ only.

On 2020-10-17, at 02:23, Michael Richardson <> wrote to wgchairs:
> It appears that session are scheduled starting at 05:00 UTC, which would be
> 12:00(noon) Bangkok time.   It's really as if this meeting was being
> held in Madrid.

Benjamin Kaduk <> wrote:
    > Could you expound a bit on why you think widening the block of time in
    > which sessions occur would be helpful?  IIRC we have survey results showing
    > that in a virtual format even the 7.5-hour window is too long to be
    > practical, and having a longer window is going to push more of the session
    > timeslots into times that are quite painful for more participant timezones.
    > My understanding was that the idea of having a consolidated virtual IETF
    > was to enable the cross-polination that occurs at in-person IETF meetings
    > where most participants are attending sessions in most of the timeslots.

First, I would like to know why we can do 9hr long days in person,  while we
can't even manage 7.5 hour virtual days.   I think that this needs to be
unpacked a lot more in the survey.

Second, that doesn't explain why we are starting at the times we starting.
I don't think it helps people in any of the time zones.
(Starting earlier would probably be kinder to Pacific coast types.
We start at 9pm Pacific now, end at 3am.
If we started at "10am" local", then we'd end at 1am, which is just a late
night for them.

I expect to flip my time zone: it's the full 12 hour flip for me.
Starting later doesn't help me much.
{Given my investment of ~36hours to do this, I'd kinda like to maximimze my

The current schedule has only 30 minute breaks.
This isn't enough for people where it's "day" to eat and still do any kind of

For people for whom it's middle of the night, I guess we'll have to bring box
lunches to our desks.

The bigger point is that 30 minutes is not enough to:
 1) finish 3 minutes late
 2) go to the washroom
 3) connect to to chat with someone
 4) eat/drink while this occurs
 5) arrive 3 minutes early for the next session

I'm glad that there are 7 tracks rather than 8, though.

Michael Richardson <>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
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