Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey

[Tommy Jensen <[e-mail]>]

As someone who has recently been trying to map chat messages with the mic line context they are responding to, I love this idea, Andy.

Thanks,
Tommy
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From: Andrew G. Malis <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2024 2:13 PM
To: Tim Wicinski <[e-mail]>; Jay Daley <[e-mail]>
Cc: Michael Richardson <[e-mail]>; wgchairs <[e-mail]>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey

Jay et al,

It would be great if there was some way to correlate the chat with the presentations. Perhaps an easy way to implement this would be whenever the chair loads a new presentation from the prestored list, that auto-generates a new line in the chat indicating which presentation was loaded. That would really help minute takers to later incorporate the chat comments into the proper place in the minutes. Just a thought.

Cheers,
Andy


On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 1:17 PM Tim Wicinski <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:

I am terrible at standing in the mic line so I can agree with Michael on this.

Also, there is an oddity with the Zulip logs.  On the meeting material pages, the link will send you the JSON blob:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/120/materials/chatlog-120-dnsop-202407251830-00

But I found (willing to bet Robert pointed it out to me) a much nicer formatted version of the chat log:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/chatlog-120-dnsop-202407221530/



tim


On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 1:09 PM Michael Richardson <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:

I think that most WGs do a good job of having someone monitor the chat, and
when things do need to get to mic, that happens.  Clarification questions,
which can be answered by other people, are significantly useful.  Not only
does it not take time away from the presenter, but it also might show whether
the document has been reviewed, and by who.

It would be useful if Jay could dig further into who complained, and which
WGs for which this was a problem, and how new, middle or ?old? the people are.

Secondly, going to the MIC can be a scary process; particularly for some
neurodivegent people.  Asking the question in chat has a much lower bar.

Finally, for those who are not physically present, the chat is a useful and
significant way to connect to other participants.  For remote attendees,
arranging windows in the right places is not hard.  I think that for many
people, their "window manager" makes it hard for them to have any windows
which aren't full screen, and frankly...<shuts up here>
I think that it is the people who are trying to run meetecho on their
laptop with the built-in client who are having problems.  The answer is to
use the zulip web client.

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