Re: System generated chat messages during WG sessions

[Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>]

If folks want to mess up the chat even more, that's fine, as Andy said, they could/should
be esily filtered. But my main point remains,which is that those auto-generated messages
belong into the text transcript of the youtube sessions.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Thu, Sep 05, 2024 at 01:51:24PM -0700, Aaron Parecki wrote:
> I find it extremely helpful to have at least a division in the chat between
> presentations. I've sometimes done this manually for meetings I'm in,
> typing out a row of "---------" and then the new presentation name. Even
> when live, just trying to scroll back up through the chat can be
> challenging to see when you've reached the top of the chat for the current
> session, so these markers can be helpful. I agree that noting every slide
> change would be a bit overkill though.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 1:47 PM Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Sep 05, 2024 at 03:05:01PM -0400, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
> > > Toerless,
> > >
> > > If the autogenerated messages are in the chat and you don't like them,
> > it's
> > > really easy to run the chat through a text filter to get rid of them.
> >
> > My point was that the auto-generated messages belong into the
> > transcription track of the
> > youtube video. That's where you'd search for them and click on them to get
> > to a particular part of
> > the recording.
> >
> > The chat is already messsy enough as it stands. Unless we really need to
> > have information in it
> > as we did in the past for audio-only participants, i don't think we
> > shouldhave this additional
> > metadata in it.
> >
> > Cheers
> >     Toerless
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 3:00 PM Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 05, 2024 at 02:28:59PM -0400, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
> > > > > Toerless,
> > > > >
> > > > > There are people that like to read the chat, or incorporate the chat
> > into
> > > > > the minutes, without having to watch the entire video.
> > > >
> > > > That's fine. Nothing i proposed argues against it. I just don't want
> > the
> > > > chat to be cluttered
> > > > with information about the actual primary meeting track - especially
> > > > because i do not want
> > > > to kill off asynchronous chat discuss that's explicitly NOT in-sync
> > with
> > > > th primary WG
> > > > track.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >     Toerless
> > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Andy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 1:58 PM Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > My 22cents:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would not like for the chat to be scattered by this metadata
> > because
> > > > we
> > > > > > should already
> > > > > > have an actual metadata stream in the videos: the CC (close caption
> > > > > > track). AFAIK, all
> > > > > > IETF recordings on youtube have it. Seemingly some are done
> > > > manual/better,
> > > > > > most are
> > > > > > automatic (suck rocks - especially with non native speakers).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyhow: What the IETF tooling team seemingly does not do right is
> > to
> > > > > > enable the youtube
> > > > > > transcription feature from this CC track. When i go to most other
> > > > > > (non-IETF) videos
> > > > > > with CC, then i can click on "Show Transcript" at the bottom of the
> > > > > > youtube description.
> > > > > > This will then pop up the transcript - and then you can
> > scroll/search
> > > > and
> > > > > > jump to specific
> > > > > > transcript points.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Seems obvious to me, that we would want any section markers like
> > > > > > slides/presentations/speakers
> > > > > > on the microphone to be in this transcription track.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course: If youtube allows multiple tracks, then it would be
> > fine to
> > > > > > also include the
> > > > > > chat as a secondary caption track. But let's not consider it to be
> > a
> > > > > > primary track
> > > > > > for the session recording.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > >     Toerless
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 05, 2024 at 12:42:37PM +0100, Jay Daley wrote:
> > > > > > > Starting a new thread on this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Meetecho have confirmed that having the system generate chat
> > > > messages is
> > > > > > pretty straightforward so I want to ask what action points are the
> > most
> > > > > > useful for such a message, assuming we don’t want too many such
> > > > messages as
> > > > > > that will clutter the chat.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So far we have:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - When a new presentation is started so that it contextualises
> > the
> > > > chat
> > > > > > messages after that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The only other one I can see might be useful is:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - When a poll is initiated and/or closed, perhaps with the result
> > > > copied
> > > > > > to the chat.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes/no? and any others?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jay
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > IETF Executive Director
> > > > > > > [e-mail]
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