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Malis" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 13:13:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Update and move of codimd To: Toerless Eckert Cc: Greg Wood , Working Chairs , Mark Nottingham , Robert Sparks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000afdf6305c94bbd06" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 17:13:55 -0000 --000000000000afdf6305c94bbd06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrew G. Malis 1:10 PM (1 minute ago) to Toerless, Mark, Working, Robert Toerless, Repeating the point that I made on the other thread on this topic, you currently need to use your Datatracker login to access CodIMD/HedgeDoc, so it's actually not public. And I think that's the correct way to do it, as it's intended for meeting participants (who all have Datatracker logins in order to participate) to provide notes regarding IETF meetings and work. If you really do want it to be public, then I suspect that's something to take up with the IESG rather than making the point on this list. And your list of questions are also for the IESG, not for this list. Cheers, Andy On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 12:19 PM Toerless Eckert wrote: > I would like to see a clear description of the expected rules of use: > > e.g.: > > Q: is everything put into notes.ietf.org deemed public ? > Q: If not deemed public, then what exactly is the deemed level of > confidentiality ? "AD-hoc - if you do not share a page name, its kinda > confidential ?" > > Q: Would it be permissible for IETF to create a public list of all pages = ? > Q: Wold it be permissible for IETF to make content older than some time > (e.g.: 3 years) public ? > > Q: Is there an expectation for pages to be archived ? > > Q: If there is no expectation of archival of pages, how long > will pages be guaranteed not to be changed/taken-down by IETF ? > > Q: If pages are not deemed public, how then would use of this tool > go along with the IETF note well ? > > Aka: IMHO, all pages should be deemed public, there actually should be a > list/search across them, and that way archiving and IETF note well are no= t > an issue. > > Cheers > Toerless > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 09:32:30AM -0400, Greg Wood wrote: > > Hi Mark (and everyone), > > > > I=E2=80=99m looking into what=E2=80=99s possible at the moment, but if = there are > specific attributes you think would make the =E2=80=9CIntro=E2=80=9D page= more useful, > please feel free to send suggestions directly to me. > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > On 10, Aug2021, at 20:01, Jay Daley wrote: > > > > > > Looping in Greg as the person responsible for adding IETF branding to > new services. > > > > > > I believe a custom /intro.md is supported so this is possible. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > >> On 11/08/2021, at 11:38 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > > >> > > >> Nice! > > >> > > >> Are we planning to update the front page to IETF-brand it? > > >> > > >> > > >>> On 11 Aug 2021, at 6:59 am, Robert Sparks > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> This is done. > > >>> > > >>> The result is at notes.ietf.org. > > >>> > > >>> RjS > > >>> > > >>> On 8/6/21 6:19 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > > >>>> Just a suggestion - can we use a host name that reflects the > function, rather than the product used? Eg =E2=80=98pad.ietf.org=E2=80= =99? > > >>>> > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>>> > > >>>>> On 7 Aug 2021, at 5:40 am, Robert Sparks > wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> =EF=BB=BFFYI - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Next Tuesday 10 Aug, around 2000 UTC, we will be moving where > codimd.ietf.org is running, and moving to the latest version (which will > reflect the rename of the project to Hedgedoc). Editing and reading notes > during that time may be interrupted. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> RjS > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > Jay Daley > > > IETF Executive Director > > > jay@ietf.org > > > > > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de > > --000000000000afdf6305c94bbd06 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Andrew G. Malis=C2=A0<agmalis@gmail.com>

= 1:10 PM (1 minute ago)
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to=C2=A0Toerless,=C2=A0Mark,=C2=A0Working,=C2=A0= Robert
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<= /div>
Toerless,

Repeating the p= oint that I made on the other thread on this topic, you currently need to u= se your Datatracker login to access CodIMD/HedgeDoc, so it's actually n= ot public. And I think that's the correct way to do it, as it's int= ended for meeting participants (who all have Datatracker logins in order to= participate) to provide notes regarding IETF meetings and work.
<= div>
If you really do want it to be public, then I suspect th= at's something to take up with the IESG rather than making the point on= this list.

And your list of questions are also fo= r the IESG, not for this list.

Cheers,
A= ndy

On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 12:19 PM Toerless = Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de= > wrote:
= I would like to see a clear description of the expected rules of use:

e.g.:

Q: is everything put into notes.ietf.org deemed public ?
Q: If not deemed public, then what exactly is the deemed level of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0confidentiality ? "AD-hoc - if you do not share a page na= me, its kinda confidential ?"

Q: Would it be permissible for IETF to create a public list of all pages ?<= br> Q: Wold it be permissible for IETF to make content older than some time (e.= g.: 3 years) public ?

Q: Is there an expectation for pages to be archived ?

Q: If there is no expectation of archival of pages, how long
=C2=A0 =C2=A0will pages be guaranteed not to be changed/taken-down by IETF = ?

Q: If pages are not deemed public, how then would use of this tool
=C2=A0 =C2=A0go along with the IETF note well ?

Aka: IMHO, all pages should be deemed public, there actually should be a list/search across them, and that way archiving and IETF note well are not = an issue.

Cheers
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Toerless

On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 09:32:30AM -0400, Greg Wood wrote:
> Hi Mark (and everyone),
>
> I=E2=80=99m looking into what=E2=80=99s possible at the moment, but if= there are specific attributes you think would make the =E2=80=9CIntro=E2= =80=9D page more useful, please feel free to send suggestions directly to m= e.
>
> -Greg
>
>
> > On 10, Aug2021, at 20:01, Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> wrote:
> >
> > Looping in Greg as the person responsible for adding IETF brandin= g to new services.
> >
> > I believe a custom /intro.md is supported so this is possible. > >
> > Jay
> >
> >> On 11/08/2021, at 11:38 AM, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Nice!
> >>
> >> Are we planning to update the front page to IETF-brand it? > >>
> >>
> >>> On 11 Aug 2021, at 6:59 am, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>= wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is done.
> >>>
> >>> The result is at notes.ietf.org.
> >>>
> >>> RjS
> >>>
> >>> On 8/6/21 6:19 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:
> >>>> Just a suggestion - can we use a host name that refle= cts the function, rather than the product used?=C2=A0 Eg =E2=80=98pad.ietf.org<= /a>=E2=80=99?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 7 Aug 2021, at 5:40 am, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com<= /a>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> =EF=BB=BFFYI -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Next Tuesday 10 Aug, around 2000 UTC, we will be = moving where codimd.ietf.org is running, and moving to the latest versio= n (which will reflect the rename of the project to Hedgedoc). Editing and r= eading notes during that time may be interrupted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> RjS
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark Nottingham=C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.mnot.net/
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Jay Daley
> > IETF Executive Director
> > jay@ietf.org
> >

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