Re: Pointing only to what's relevant for a group (was Re: IETF wiki expectations)

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Thu, 24 November 2022 00:00 UTC

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From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
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Subject: Re: Pointing only to what's relevant for a group (was Re: IETF wiki expectations)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 11:00:18 +1100
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My memory obviously needs an update. The tools have improved *so* much recently — kudos!

Mark Nottingham  https://www.mnot.net/

> On 24 Nov 2022, at 1:40 am, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 11/22/22 10:52 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>> if a WG isn't actively using a particular facility / service, it shouldn't show up as an option for others to wonder about.
> 
> Please be specific.
> 
> We've been working away the hard-coded places that might lead to a dangle - the group About page, for example, shouldn't have any of these left. What groups may have left configured in their External Resources could still be pointing into something unused - is that what you're calling out?
> 
> If you're thinking about removing confusion on other viewss, please call them out (preferably as gh issues).
> 
> RjS
> 
>