Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Sun, 18 October 2020 21:42 UTC

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Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> wrote:
    > All of the virtual meetings have begun at 12:00 or 13:00 "local" time. No
    > one seriously questioned this choice until it became inconvenient for
    > Eastern Time.

AGAIN, I am not complaining as an Eastern-Time person.
Starting Vancouver later in the day did not particularly help, and I asked
WTF at the time.

Starting Madrid later in the day only really helped EST people, and I asked
about that at the time.

    > To start messing with the start time now would erode the principle of 1-1-1.

Are you saying, "having got it wrong twice, it would unfair if we did it
correctly this time?"

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