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Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> Thu, 04 May 2023 19:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Wish] WG recharter
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> No one is going to create a separate spec for transport of CMAF in Data
> Channel, just like there is no “spec” for transport of CMAF in
> MoQ. There’s no spec, because it’s just single line in a document: “one
> CMAF chunk per message.”

While I'm not sure that this is the right WG to standardise a protocol
such as the one you envision, I'd be inerested in learning more.  Where is
CMAF described, and is there a publicly available specification that can
be used as a normative reference in an IETF document?

(These are two separate questions: if you can share a document that's an
accurate description, I'd be interested even if it's not usable as a normative
reference in an RFC.)

Perhaps you could also say a few words why you think that CMAF-over-X, for
some value of X, is a compelling alternative to RTP?

Thanks,

-- Juliusz

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