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Re: [Wish] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-wish-whip

Sergio Garcia Murillo <sergio.garcia.murillo@gmail.com> Mon, 06 February 2023 14:09 UTC

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From: Sergio Garcia Murillo <sergio.garcia.murillo@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 15:08:42 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Wish] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-wish-whip
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On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 2:49 PM Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> wrote:

> > Can you point me to where in th3 spec it describes that the ice
> gathering phase
> > is started in the createOffer. JSEP states the contrary:
>
> Sorry, you're right.  It's setLocalDescription that triggers ICE.
>
> So in order to get proper ICE servers we need to send the initial offer
> before we even start gathering candidates.  In the absence of Trickle ICE,
> we cannot reliably communicate *any* client-side candidates to the server.
>

Again, note that communitating ice candidates from the client to the server
is only needed in case the media server is behind NAT and the media server
needs to do hole punching to receive the binding request.



> Does that not suggest that Trickle ICE should be required?
>

We can upgrade OPTIONAL to RECOMMENDED for trickle ICE support.


>
> >> I'm probably mistaken, but I was under the impression that you need an
> ICE
> >> restart for the new configuration to have any effect.  Could you please
> >> present your evidence that that is not the case?
>
> > What kind of evidence do you need?
>
> A browser test that shows relay candidates being generated by the client
> when using the sequence that you suggest.
>

Given that we have acknowledged that the spec is compliant with JSEP, I
don't think that I need to provide further evidence.

Best regards
Sergio

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