Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal
Dave CROCKER <dhc2@dcrocker.net> Mon, 25 July 2011 18:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal
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On 7/25/2011 1:16 PM, Leif Johansson wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/25/2011 06:59 PM, Paul C. Bryan wrote: >> I now find myself hoping this is not the beginning someone making a case >> for ASN.1 encoding in WOES. >> >> For my edification, can someone comment on how CMS would likely be >> referenced in WOES? Would it likely be a normative reference (i.e. key >> transport/wrapping, as it is in xmlenc-core), or otherwise would it >> probably be just informational? > > We seem to be bike-shedding on the words "based on" in the charter. > Perhaps it helps if we say something to the effect that WOES draws > upon experience from CMS and XML-dsig/enc and leave it at that. 1. There is considerably more than a bikeshedding difference between a) normative dependence on a protocol, where the new exercise is merely a syntactic re-coding" vs, for example b) "take the ideas from the existing work and use them as a basis for writing a new protocol." 2. There is a significant constituency in the current topic that are using language that sounds very much like option a) above. That is, I believe there is a meaningful split between an established security community view for this topic, versus the views of the json-oriented folk. What is perhaps missing is a clear and shared understanding of the exact uses that are intended for the current work. For example "must be able to encode it in a URL" is a rather meaningful and substantial constraint. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
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- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Dave CROCKER
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Anthony Nadalin
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Stephen Farrell
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Stephen Farrell
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Mike Jones
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- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal John Bradley
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Dave CROCKER
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Mike Jones
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Richard L. Barnes
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Paul C. Bryan
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Leif Johansson
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Matt Miller
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Paul C. Bryan
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Eric Rescorla
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Leif Johansson
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Richard L. Barnes
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Mike Jones
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Dave CROCKER
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Leif Johansson
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Paul C. Bryan
- Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal Stephen Farrell
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