Re: [woes] Support multiple Crypto algorithms? was RE: Proposed charter, post-Quebec edition

Thomas Hardjono <hardjono@MIT.EDU> Tue, 09 August 2011 18:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: [woes] Support multiple Crypto algorithms? was RE: Proposed charter, post-Quebec edition
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As far as I can remember, CMS (RFC3852 and RFC5652) does not choose any specific algorithm.

Therefore it make sense for JOSE to follow the same approach.

/thomas/



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Subject: Re: [woes] Support multiple Crypto algorithms? was RE: Proposed charter, post-Quebec edition


On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Joe Hildebrand <joe.hildebrand@webex.com> wrote:
Agree. Algorithm agility is a must, but large numbers of supported
algorithms out of the gate are not. Having a small set of algorithms
widely-implemented will increase interoperability drastically, particularly
considering that in some of the target operating environments, we'll need to
wait for people with adequate cryptographic skills to help.

I do really like the idea of splitting the MTI specification into a small
separate draft, so that it can be rev'd easily as needed.

+1

And that way we can have two profiles (or more) to address different implementation situations.

Web Services implementation constraints are frequently asymmetric. There is one portion built on some all-singing/dancing platform like .NET or whatever and that talks to a thin client embedded in Jscript or a mobile device or what-have-you.

If we can avoid creating yet another crypto-registry (i.e. re-use the PEM or whatever algorithm registry) then all the spec needs to say is that X is the slot where the algorithm name goes and the MTI doc(s) specify how to get interoperability.
 
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