Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal
Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Thu, 16 June 2011 21:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal
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Sure, it seems reasonable to discuss draft-zyp-json-schema-03 in the Apps Area. It recently expired, so I'll ping the authors about bringing it back to life. On 6/16/11 2:29 PM, Joe Hildebrand wrote: > Kris has most of what we need already in his JSON Schema draft. > > > On 6/16/11 2:14 PM, "Stephen Farrell" <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: > >> I guess I'd worry about the added time if its a dependency but maybe there're >> ways around that. (Developing new schema stuff sounds to me like a slooow >> thing;-) >> >> S >> >> On 16 Jun 2011, at 20:43, "Peter Saint Andre" <Peter.SaintAndre@webex.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes, that seems not unreasonable. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joe Hildebrand >>> To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> >>> Cc: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - >>> FI/Espoo) <hannes.tschofenig@nsn.com>; ext Manger, James H >>> <James.H.Manger@team.telstra.com>; Sean Turner <turners@ieca.com>; >>> woes@ietf.org <woes@ietf.org>; kris@sitepen.com <kris@sitepen.com>; Peter >>> Saint Andre; Pete Resnick <presnick@qualcomm.com> >>> Sent: Thu Jun 16 12:21:56 2011 >>> Subject: Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal >>> >>> Agree that 4 is scope creep that is outside of the scope of normal security >>> area stuff, but it's likely to be a prereq. I'm fine with dropping it from >>> the charter, potentially getting support from the Apps ADs to move stuff >>> like JSON Schema through the Apps AWG. >>> >>> >>> On 6/16/11 11:51 AM, "Stephen Farrell" <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> 3 & 4 there look a bit like scope-creep to me >>>> >>>> Why are they absolutely needed? >>>> >>>> S. >>>> >>>> On 16/06/11 18:33, Joe Hildebrand wrote: >>>>> Slight tweaks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/16/11 11:26 AM, "Mike Jones" <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> 1) A JSON-based method of applying digital signatures and keyed message >>>>>> digests to data that may represent JSON data structures. >>>>> >>>>> ... may represent arbitrary data, including JSON data structures and text >>>>> >>>>>> 2) A JSON-based method of applying encryption to data that may >>>>>> represent >>>>>> JSON data structures. >>>>> >>>>> Same as 1) above. Not just for JSON. >>>>> >>>>>> Separately, we may want to consider whether the following should be in >>>>>> scope: >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) A JSON-based method of representing public keys. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, please update and/or add these references (some were out of date, >>>>>> some >>>>>> were missing): >>>>> >>>>> Let's also add: >>>>> >>>>> 4) Any JSON-specific prerequisite tooling such as JSON Schema >>>>> >>>>> And add draft-zyp-json-schema as a reference. I CC'd Kris Zyp to see if >>>>> he's ok with that. Kris: this might be a chance for a WG to pick up JSON >>>>> Schema if you like. >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Joe Hildebrand >>>
- [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Sean Turner
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Manger, James H
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Mike Jones
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Joe Hildebrand
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Mike Jones
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Stephen Farrell
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Mike Jones
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Stephen Farrell
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Mike Jones
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Joe Hildebrand
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Stephen Farrell
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Joe Hildebrand
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [woes] WOES Charter Proposal Peter Saint-Andre