Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges
Larry Masinter <LMM@acm.org> Sat, 20 March 2021 04:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges
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Shouldn't you adopt the use cases first? The scope of activities and the "Expected Performance" (section 3) are critical. The use cases I had expected that an IETF "Web Packaging" working group to work on would include would be the ones that led to mime multipart: Multipart/related, multipart/form-data, multipart/alternative, multipart/byte-ranges Each has its own set of requirements, -- https://LarryMasinter.net https://interlisp.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Wpack <wpack-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Sean Turner > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 7:52 PM > To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> > Cc: WPACK List <wpack@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled- > exchanges > > Mark, > > You make a good point about the need for the additional I-Ds, because the > charter’s milestones actually call out 3 other I-Ds that address the signing > mechanism as well as privacy and security. To be blunt, these other I-Ds have > not yet been submitted. There was some security-related text in the bundle > document that was removed and Martin Thomson had a content-based > origin I-D. I am cautiously optimistic that getting the bundling I-D adopted will > encourage the other I-Ds to surface because I strongly suspect that progress > on the bundling I-D is likely to grind to a halt without those I-Ds. I do not think > that the milestones, which are also a good year out of date at this point, > should hold us back from adopting the bundling I-D. But, the entire set of I- > Ds is required- it is the pact we made the IESG to get to done. > > spt > > > On Mar 16, 2021, at 00:59, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote: > > > > Hi Sean, > > > > I don't have access to minutes of the meeting yet, so this may have already > been answered -- > > > > The charter says that a use cases document, a privacy analysis document, > and a security analysis document will be adopted at the same time as the > bundling document. What's their status? > > > > Cheers, > > > > > >> On 16 Mar 2021, at 11:53 am, Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote: > >> > >> Based on interest expressed at IETF 110, this email starts the call for > adoption of draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges. The I-D can be found > here: > >> > >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled- > exchanges/ > >> > >> This adoption call will run until March 30, 2021 at 2359 UTC. Please indicate > whether or not you would like to see this I-D adopted as a WG item. Note > that this is an adoption call for the draft as a starting point for the bundle > format. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> spt (for the chairs) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wpack mailing list > >> Wpack@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wpack > > > > -- > > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wpack mailing list > Wpack@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wpack
- [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wpack-… Sean Turner
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Jeffrey Yasskin
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Daniel Ehrenberg
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Sean Turner
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Larry Masinter
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Jeffrey Yasskin
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Jeffrey Yasskin
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Daniel Ehrenberg
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Sean Turner
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Larry Masinter
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Kinuko Yasuda
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Dave Lawrence
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Sean Turner
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Larry Masinter
- Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wp… Larry Masinter