Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wpack-use-cases (redux)

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From: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
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Subject: Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wpack-use-cases (redux)
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Which is fair -- there have always been documents we adopt because we like the existing content and documents we adopt because it addresses a need (even if we plan to chuck 90+% of the existing content). 

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Subject: Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wpack-use-cases (redux)

Mike,

I may be more laissez faire than most about WG adoption. I think of it as the document is a starting point. To date we haven’t had people falling on their swords, so I was leaning more towards the “get this version in, hack on it for -01” camp. If a lot of people are in the same camp as you we can always call this one off, get the I-D updated and start over.

spt

> On Aug 19, 2021, at 12:15, Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be> wrote:
> 
> This seems like the wrong order of things to me.  If the point is to adopt a document that describes the scenarios we actually have consensus on, why are the others not moved to the appendix in the version prior to the adoption call?
> 
> If the point is simply to have consensus on the fact that we have a scenario document, fine, but even if it's temporary I don't really like the idea of having a WG-adopted document that describes scenarios as in-scope that don't have consensus.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wpack <wpack-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Sean Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 10:14 PM
> To: WPACK List <wpack@ietf.org>
> Subject: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wpack-use-cases (redux)
> 
> Hi! This message starts a WG call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wpack-use-cases. This is the 2nd WG call for adoption for this I-D; the 1st WG call for adoption did not garner enough interest for the chairs to make a decision, but at IETF 111 the WG discussed adopting the I-D and trimming it down version to only agreed use cases (and sticking the others in an appendix). The I-D can be found here:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yasskin-wpack-use-cases/
> 
> This adoption call will run until 10 September 2021 at 2359 UTC.* Please indicate whether or not you would like to see this I-D adopted as a WG item.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sean and Dave
> 
> * Note that I am allowing a little extra time here because it is vacation time.
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