Re: [wpkops] [T17Q11] SV: [pkix] X.509 whitelist proposal

Tony Rutkowski <tony@yaanatech.com> Fri, 18 July 2014 17:47 UTC

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Hi Phillip,

The challenges of applying PKI to SmartGrids
has been worked within NIST's SmartGrid security
group and equivalents in other venues over the
past five years or more.  See the group's twicki at
http://collaborate.nist.gov/twiki-sggrid/bin/view/SmartGrid/CyberSecurityCTG
Volume 1 of the associated NISTR 7628, and a Rev. 1
in draft was produced last year.  See
http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/drafts/nistir-7628-r1/draft_nistir_7628_r1_vol1.pdf

There was a good article providing an overview in
the first issue of IEEE Transactions on SmartGrid.  See
http://www.csit.qub.ac.uk/media/pdf/Filetoupload,286700,en.pdf

The entire last ITU-T SG17 meeting had barely a hundred
attendees.  The PKI group Q11/17 had only three input
contributions (2 from Korea's ETRI, and one from China -
both dealing with non-PKI matters) and only a handful of
people present.  It is the last remaining UN intergovernmental
technical standards body in the sector and rapidly dying, so
it seems a stretch that anything will be pursued there.
Now doing it in the IETF is another matter!

--tony

ps. On the positive side, the ITU-T standards are now free.