Re: Registration of media typeimage/svg+xml

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Thu, 18 November 2010 20:20 UTC

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Subject: Re: Registration of media typeimage/svg+xml
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On 18.11.2010 21:01, Chris Lilley wrote:
> On Thursday, November 18, 2010, 8:19:20 PM, Julian wrote:
>
> JR>  On 18.11.2010 19:02, Chris Lilley wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Security considerations:
>>> ...
>>>       SVG documents may be transmitted in compressed form using gzip
>>>       compression. For systems which employ MIME-like mechanisms, such
>>>       as HTTP, this is indicated by the Content-Encoding or
>>>       Transfer-Encoding header, as appropriate; for systems which do
>>>       not, such as direct filesystem access, this is indicated by the
>>>       filename extension and by the Macintosh File Type Codes. In
>>>       addition, gzip compressed content is readily recognised by the
>>>       initial byte sequence as described in [RFC1952] section 2.3.1.
>>> ...
>
> JR>  1) What does this have to do with "Security Considerations"?
>
> Please read BCP 13, RFC 4288 section 4.6 "Security requirements" where you will find
>
>        A media type that employs compression may provide an opportunity
>        for sending a small amount of data that, when received and
>        evaluated, expands enormously to consume all of the recipient's
>        resources.  All media types SHOULD state whether or not they
>        employ compression, and if they do they should discuss
>        what  steps need to be taken to avoid such attacks.

Agreed.

But then it would need to be clearly stated, that, you know, the content 
can be gzipped and still be image/svg+xml.

Can it?

Because otherwise if you're talking about compression on the transport 
layer, this doesn't need to be stated here. It confuses layers.

> JR>  2) I find the whole paragraph misleading; I'd like to see a clear
> JR>  statement about whether the stream of octets resulting from gzipping SVG
> JR>  can be labeled as "image/svg+xml" or not
>
> Not by itself, no. In a MIME context, it must be labelled as Content-type: image/svg+xml **AND** Transfer-Encoding: gzip. Please note the AND.

So why we do have the paragraph above in the first place?

*Any* media type can be used with Content-Encoding: gzip over HTTP.

> This is not the same thing as Content-type: application/octet-stream and  Transfer-Encoding: gzip - because that conveys the encoding, but omits the content type.

Nobody said that.

> In other words the encoding label ADDS TO the media type; it does not remove the type.

"The Content-Encoding entity-header field is used as a modifier to the 
media-type. When present, its value indicates what additional content 
codings have been applied to the entity-body, and thus what decoding 
mechanisms must be applied in order to obtain the media-type referenced 
by the Content-Type header field. Content-Encoding is primarily used to 
allow a document to be compressed without losing the identity of its 
underlying media type." -- 
<http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2616.html#rfc.section.14.11>

So once you apply the Content-Encoding you have to undo it to get back 
the payload specified by the Content-Type. It's orthogonal. It doesn't 
make the payload an instance of the media type *until* you undo the 
encoding.

> Indeed, this is why separate labelling of encoding was added. Back in the early days people would use gzipped VRML or gzipped PostScript, and attempted to register application/gzip; but since they were using the Media Type to hold the encoding information they had lost important information, so VRML viewers were sent PostScript and so on.  Some people said this was okay, unzip and then look at the filename extension. But a much better way was to add the encoding headers.
>
> JR>  (please consider transports
> JR>  other than HTTP, such as a file system that actually supports typing by
> JR>  Internet media types).
>
> Please feel free to file a bug report for the BeOS filesystem saying that it should support labelling of encodings in addition to media types.
>
> Speaking as a former BeOS user myself, I still consider modern SVG implementations (of which there are many) to be a rather more numerous and relevant consideration than a promising, but obsolete and abandoned, operating system from 15 years ago.

I really honestly (!) have no idea what you're referring to.

For the media type registration what's relevant is what kind of octet 
sequences you can label with the type you register.

So, I hear you saying: "it can be gzipped when used in a MIME context if 
and only if you label it with "content-encoding: gzip".

That's true, and nobody disagrees with it. It's true for *any* media 
type. It doesn't require any additional statements.

> JR>  If yes, that's a violation of "+xml" (and the last sentence points into
> JR>  this direction). If not, please remove the paragraph above.
>
> JR>  3) If the intent is to say that "svgz" acts as file extension for
> JR>  gzipped SVG, and *that* content can be served over HTTP as-is with
>
> JR>          Content-Type: image/svg+xml
> JR>          Content-Encoding: gzip
>
> That is exactly what it says, yes
>
> JR>  than this is obviously ok
>
> I'm glad its obviously OK.

But the way it's stated is totally misleading.

Please keep in mind that I only joined this discussion after other 
people complained (I stumbled into it during a conversation at the IETF 
meeting in Maastricht).

> JR>  because it follows from RFC 2616, and has
> JR>  *nothing* to do with the media type (except for the extension
> JR>  recommendation).
>
> So you oppose reminding people how to detect such gzipped content?
>
> Why would you want to do that?

Because it makes it sound like detecting gzipped content by inspecting 
the header is an acceptable way to handle this media type.

Best regards, Julian