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Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc] <br> is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0

Heather Flanagan <rse@rfc-editor.org> Tue, 05 November 2019 19:37 UTC

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> On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
> 
> On 05.11.2019 19:55, Heather Flanagan wrote:
>> ...
>> 
>> Matching what you see aside, do you have any concerns with my requirements?
>> 
>> Heather
> 
> Yes, of course.

To be clear, for my own sanity:

Yes, of course you have concerns with the functional requirement I described, or
Yes, of course you have concerns with how the requirement is technically implemented?  

Or both?

> 
> "Ignoring" the <br> is the wrong thing; you would need to treat is just
> like a regular whitespace character. So
> 
>  "A<br/>B"
> 
> when referenced would be treated just like "A B".
> 
> I also recommend to read the HTML5 spec with respect to when <br> is
> valid in HTML; we wouldn't want to create invalid HTML, right?

How <br> is implemented in the different outputs is going to be contingent on the requirements of that format and what is considered valid. So, of course we want valid HTML. Whether that means a transformation from what the XML says into what the HTML requires is an implementation I don’t have an opinion on. My job is to offer the functional requirements, not tell the developer how to do the job.

-Heather

> 
> "br elements must not be used for separating thematic groups in a
> paragraph." --
> <https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-br-element>
> 
> Best regards, Julian
>

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