Re: [xml2rfc] assuming that period (.) ends a sentence is sometimes wrong

John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Sat, 27 February 2021 23:51 UTC

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From: "John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com>
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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] assuming that period (.) ends a sentence is sometimes wrong
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2021, Carsten Bormann wrote:
>> Personally, I'm with you.  The extra space is an antique tradition from
>> the days of manual typewriters and I don't see any reason to worry about it
>> any more.
>
> That statement is often repeated, but sentence spacing actually has nothing to do with typewriters (except that there needed to be a way to emulate it with typewriters, which is the reason that it is often reduced to “single space vs. double space” — not the choice we have today).  This confusion may have influenced the discussion, as the perception indeed is that sentence spacing is a remnant from typewriter days, when it simply was good typography for centuries (actually often applying a number of different spacing regimes after semicolons, colons, and periods).

Well, yes, but most of us came to it via typewriters.  That's the rule I 
learned at a summer typing class on manual typewriters with blank keytops 
in about 1969.

Having been through the publishing process in a lot of books, I can report 
that no matter how good your tools are, the only way to typeset stuff of 
professional quality is to do hand tweaks where the tools don't get it 
quite right.  For a bunch of reasons we have decided we're not doing that 
and I would prefer not to say oh, but THIS tweak is worth it.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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