Re: [xml2rfc] Differentiating prepped from unprepared documents

"John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> Thu, 23 June 2022 14:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Differentiating prepped from unprepared documents
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> I think it would be much much better if the authors and/or the RFC
> Editor preserved the XML that existed prior to running the preptool -
> just because it will dramatically reduce the amount of changes.

Me too but I also think it would be a good idea to be prepared to be able 
to re-edit documents for which we don't have the unprepped version.

If we move the prep elements into a separate address space, how hard would 
unprepping be?  Remove those, remove attributes which have default values, 
anything else?

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