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Re: [xml2rfc] RfcMarkup not authoritative, HTML is gone?

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Mon, 16 September 2019 15:43 UTC

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From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] RfcMarkup not authoritative, HTML is gone?
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On 16.09.2019 17:33, Anders Rundgren wrote:
> ...
> I don't think the motives for using HTML has been very strong.
> ...

And you did re-read the epic discussion that lead to this decision?

> ...
> Is there actually a single RFC out there using SVG and Unicode?
> ...

Yes, there is one for non-ASCII, if that's what you're asking. That
said, how is this relevant when in fact it wasn't possible to do so up
until now?

> Anyway, I surely look forward to HTML!
>
> Lists currently look a bit "crammed" in my opinion:
> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-rundgren-signed-http-requests-00.html

Looking at the source:

> <meta name="generator" content="xml2rfc version 2.21.0 - https://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc" />

The lists indeed look crammed, but what you're looking at is the HTML
output in the "v2" mode, which we'll hopefully won't be using anymore
soonish.

Best regards, Julian

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