Re: [xml2rfc] RfcMarkup not authoritative, HTML is gone?

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Mon, 16 September 2019 15:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] RfcMarkup not authoritative, HTML is gone?
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On 16.09.2019 17:32, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
> On 9/16/19 10:46 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
>> On 2019-09-16 16:27, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
>>> On 9/16/19 1:22 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
>>>> On 2019-09-14 11:41, Julian Reschke wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> RfcMarkup has no official standing (and yes, I like it as well, and it
>>>>> has served us well for a very long time). It apparently generates
>>>>> XHTML,
>>>>> but the content is served as text/html on tools.ietf.org. It might be
>>>>> good to change it to produce valid HTML5.
>>>>
>>>> This in interesting and but also rather confusing since this is the by
>>>> far most used method for communicating RFCs by developers.
>>>
>>> Do you have any data to backup this claim?
>>
>> No, OTOH, since I mostly work with JSON-based stuff, the documents are
>> fairly recent.
>
> I don't recall every having seen a reference to an RfcMarkup.

Funny enough, that is the tool that is creating the HTNLized versions.

>> What I'm sure that I have newer seen in wild are references to PDF RFCs
>
> Nor have I.

PDF RFCs have been possible in the past, but certainly not encouraged.

> The most common references I see are to either the "HTMLized" form, the
> plain text, or the datatracker page.
>
> Personally I much prefer to work with the HTMLized form. It gives easy
> ability to jump around in the document, the extra info in the header
> including links to related tools, etc. and yet the text is almost
> identical to the plain text form which makes it easy to jump back and
> forth between a diff and the full document. It is also convenient to cut
> and paste bits of the document into email. I much prefer this format to
> the HTML format generated directly from xml.

There are multiple tools that do this, so it would be good to be more
specific here (xml2rfc in v2 mode? in v3 mode? rfc2629.xslt?)

> ...

Best regards, Julian