Re: [xml2rfc] [irsg] character sets, was UPDATE regarding <u>
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Sat, 04 March 2023 19:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [irsg] character sets, was UPDATE regarding <u>
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It appears that Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> said: >My name includes an umlaut, as yours does. “Juergens”. I might expect that this is reasonably common. The Noto fonts include every alphabetic character used in every living language that uses Latin, Greek, or Cyrillic alphabets. That's not the problem. One issue is our policy about where any non-ASCII goes, but a separate issue that Carsten has run into is exotic characters beyond the 3000 or so that are in the fonts we normally use. R's, John > >Sent using a machine that autocorrects in interesting ways... > >> On Mar 4, 2023, at 8:38 AM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote: >> >> On 2023-03-04, at 16:46, John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: >>> >>> In any event, this reminds us that we need some discipline in what we allow beyond letters and punctuation. Unicode does >not make this any easier by providing so many different glyphs that look nearly or exactly the same. >> >> Correct, except that the “allow” is a bit misplaced. “Recommend”, “nudge authors towards”, “consider good >style” etc. would have worked better for me. >> >> Anyway, that’s why there is now authoring support in kramdown-rfc for character repertoire diagnostics, initially with the >tool “echars” (which doesn’t require actually using markdown). >> >> For those actually using markdown, eventually, I expect the yaml header to the markdown input to be able to carry a >declaration of what non 10,32-126,160,8203,8209,8288 characters are actually desired in the input, so warnings can be emitted >if the document isn’t staying inside those bounds. >> >> Both of these would be helped by access to information about the current repertoire limitations of xml2rfc, which is why I >initiated this subthread.
- Re: [xml2rfc] [irsg] UPDATE regarding <u> Re: AUT… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [xml2rfc] [irsg] UPDATE regarding <u> Re: AUT… John Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] [irsg] UPDATE regarding <u> Re: AUT… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [xml2rfc] [irsg] character sets, was UPDATE r… John Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] [irsg] character sets, was UPDATE r… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [xml2rfc] [irsg] character sets, was UPDATE r… John R Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] [irsg] character sets, was UPDATE r… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [xml2rfc] [irsg] character sets, was UPDATE r… Fred Baker
- Re: [xml2rfc] [irsg] character sets, was UPDATE r… John Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc] [irsg] character sets, was UPDATE r… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [xml2rfc] [irsg] character sets, was UPDATE r… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [xml2rfc] [irsg] character sets, was UPDATE r… Carsten Bormann