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Re: [xml2rfc] Tables in XML V3 - A downgrade

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Fri, 13 September 2019 16:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Tables in XML V3 - A downgrade
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On 13.09.2019 17:25, Anders Rundgren wrote:
> ...
> Well, RFC 7997 only talks about Unicode in author-provided data which is
> not the case here.
> The same goes for bullets lists.
> ...

I think we need to look at the role of the plain text output in the
future. The original plan was to make it as bare as possible, not even
paginated. Not sure why we deviated from that.

The format(s) to look for are IMHO HTML for on-screen, and HTML or PDF
for print. AFAIC, plain text is here because textual diffs work well,
and because it might have advantages when copy/pasted into plain text
email (or source code, or....). Making tables prettier doesn't seem to
be relevant for that (or might actually hurt).

> It is not a big deal though, <artwork> saved my day anyway :-)
> ...

IMHO the wrong decision. If it's a table, use a table. Otherwise you'll
end up with ugly output in the other output formats.

Best regards, Julian

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