Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0
Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> Fri, 18 October 2019 16:05 UTC
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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0
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On 2019-10-18 17:49, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Oct 18, 2019, at 16:54, Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> wrote: >> >> I'd be more than happy to move to <br/> if we could make that useful for >> the RPC. >> >> I think most people who voiced an viewpoint on that was for making it >> generally available, but when I proposed how to do that, it seemed to >> run into opposition again. > > There were some questions about line-breaking in titles in general > (whether <br/> or U+2028). > > I think that there is wide consensus about using <br/> in favor of > U+2028. > > The fact that unlike the former, the latter is not visible in the > schemas makes U+2028 a great way to cheat around the consensus. We > should not do that. > > As in the question about restricting Unicode character sets, I > believe that — as long as the vocabulary has a meaning — the schema > (mechanism) is not the place to make restrictions based on beauty, > style etc. (policy). So I would prefer to have <br/> in the places in > the schema where it has well-defined semantics. We can figure out > later whether this is always, only exceptionally, or never good > style. I agree with this. So again, I propose to permit <br> as a child element of these elements, where I think the semantics of a <br> would be well- defined: blockquote dd dt em li name strong t td th title tt Should <sub> and <sup> be in that list? If we compare with the places where for instance <bcp14> is permitted, the answer would be 'yes'; but I'm not sure it's the right thing to do. Coming back to Carsten's point about well-defined semantics, I'm not sure that is the case for <sub> and <sup>. Should that imply text stacking within for instance the <sup>, or should the whole line be broken and the superscript continued on the next line? Does that even make sense? Henrik
- [xml2rfc] New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 Henrik Levkowetz
- [xml2rfc] <br> is back, was: [xml2rfc-dev] New xm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> is back, was: Ne… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> is back, was: Ne… HANSEN, TONY L
- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> is back, was: Ne… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> is back, was: Ne… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> is back, was: Ne… Miek Gieben
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> is back, was: Ne… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Sandy Ginoza
- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> is back, was: Ne… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Sandy Ginoza
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… HANSEN, TONY L
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Julian Reschke
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- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Miek Gieben
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Brian Carpenter
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Miek Gieben
- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] [Rfc-markdown] <br> i… Carsten Bormann
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- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] [Rfc-markdown] <br> i… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] [Rfc-markdown] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] [Rfc-markdown] <br> i… HANSEN, TONY L
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… HANSEN, TONY L
- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] [Rfc-markdown] <br> i… Sandy Ginoza
- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] [Rfc-markdown] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… HANSEN, TONY L
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] [Rfc-markdown] <br> i… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] [Rfc-markdown] <br> i… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] [Rfc-markdown] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
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- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
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- Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] [Rfc-markdown] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [xml2rfc] [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Carsten Bormann
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