Re: [xmpp] New(ish) draft: Secure Messaging in XMPP

Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Mon, 09 November 2015 06:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [xmpp] New(ish) draft: Secure Messaging in XMPP
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On 5 November 2015 at 02:11, Bartosz Małkowski <bmalkowski@tigase.pl> wrote:
> My point of view is, that envelope is just an envelope and shouldn’t be related to content.

I would have suggested that if it weren't for the reason Dave
identified.  Routing rules in XMPP are a little more complicated than
might be ideal.  message and iq are not routed consistently, nor do
they receive the same store-and-forward treatment.