Re: [xmpp] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-xmpp-posh-04: (with COMMENT)

Peter Saint-Andre - &yet <peter@andyet.net> Mon, 03 August 2015 23:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [xmpp] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-xmpp-posh-04: (with COMMENT)
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Adding Mark to this thread, with pointers to get him up to speed...

On 7/31/15 7:50 PM, Barry Leiba wrote:
>>> If you like, it could even do POSH service names and POSH format
>>> names, and specify ".well-known/posh/<servicename>/<formatname>",
>>
>> Currently it's the <servicename> field that we're most interested in.
>
> Right... and that's what I'm suggesting an FCFS registry for.  You
> register "posh" in .well-known, and you create your own FCFS registry
> for service names, and if you don't care about the format as a
> separate thing, you just register "spice.json" (and so on) in your
> FCFS registry.  That way, Mark doesn't get involved in approving
> "posh.x" and "posh.y" and "posh.z", when Mark has no idea of what to
> say about posh service names (or seedy ones, for that matter).
>
>> Perhaps it makes sense to talk about it again with Mark?
>
> Sounds like a plan.

Hi Mark,

During IESG review of draft-ietf-xmpp-posh, Barry raised a question 
about the .well-known registration, which you and Matt Miller and I 
talked about ages ago. Here are some relevant readings:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-posh-04#section-8

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/Vcikwhh1Fln6Z7WfKlb0mCarFDw

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/5bRV3Ob2ugDkL2E7XFrCL-eKLFE

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/xw_-TOVxkQJWqquZe4UH2yDJKAg

Barry's proposed approach is more elegant. However, my feeling is that 
POSH is essentially a one-off workaround for use in XMPP until DNSSEC 
and DANE are more widely deployed. Although we've tried to design it in 
such a way that it *could* be used by other application protocols, I 
doubt that folks in those communities will use POSH unless Matt and I 
start actively promoting it (and even that is only a necessary 
condition, not a sufficent one). Because I don't think that we'll see 
additional .well-known registrations related to POSH, setting up a 
separate POSH registry to supplement a "posh" entry in the well-known 
URIs registry feels like overkill to me given the burden on IANA (I'm 
not a fan of one-entry registries).

That said, people have been wrong before about the popularity of 
technologies defined in RFCs and it's possible that POSH could become 
more popular, in which case I'd lean more strongly toward the approach 
that Barry has outlined.

As the designated expert for the well-known URIs registry, do you have 
any suggestions or preferences on how to proceed?

Thanks!

Peter