Re: [xmpp] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-xmpp-dna-10: (with COMMENT)

Kim Alvefur <zash@zash.se> Sat, 08 August 2015 16:25 UTC

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Subject: Re: [xmpp] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-xmpp-dna-10: (with COMMENT)
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Hi,

Just want reply to these:

On 2015-08-05 17:02, Stephen Farrell wrote:
> - section 3: does nobody ever use mutually authenticated
> TLS for this with XMPP? (Just wondering.)

No, mutual authentication using TLS for client-to-server connections is
used, I believe, in some environments.

> - 3.2: I didn't know that XMPP clients send a user ID in
> cleartext before turning on TLS. Pity that.  Is it ok
> for a client to fake that and then later authenticate as
> a different entity such as "usertwo@a.example"?

I don't think many clients really do that, for privacy concern.  Our
server implementation doesn't care about the stream 'from' on client
connections, regardless of security and authentication.

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Kim "Zash" Alvefur