Re: [yaco-liaison-tool] Acceptance?

Alexa Morris <amorris@amsl.com> Wed, 13 October 2010 16:51 UTC

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Ah, got it. Thanks, all of that seems perfect then, thanks. Though I  
think that a note indicating that the liaison has been sent to the  
appropriate person for approval would be helpful, if it's not too much  
to add.

Alexa

On Oct 13, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

> Hi Alexa,
>
> On 2010-10-13 17:26 Alexa Morris said:
>> See inline:
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Emilio Sanchez wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3.  When you enter an outgoing liaison statement it doesn't seem to
>>> show up in the liaison list once it is submitted.  However, if you
>>> attempt to submit the same liaison a second time it says that a
>>> liaison of that name has already been submitted.
>>>
>>>
>>>     When you send an outgoing liaison you have to mark that you
>>> have prior approval to send it. There is a checkbox to do this.
>>> Probably you didn't check it so the liaison is not public until
>>> someone approves it. The person who can approve the liaison depends
>>> on who you select the liaison comes from (If the liaison comes from
>>> a WG then the Area director can approve, if it comes from the IETF
>>> then the IETF chair should approve it.
>>>
>>>     If you check that checkbox when creating the liaison then is
>>> supposed you have obtained prior approval so the liaison will go
>>> public without any other user interaction.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This is very helpful, thanks! What should we do if we forget to click
>> "obtained prior approval"? Would it be possible (or desirable?) to  
>> get
>> a "you have not indicated that you have prior approval to post this
>> liaison. If you do not, please obtain approval before proceeding" or
>> some such warning?
>
> That may seem desirable if one is mainly posting _with_ prior  
> approval,
> but adds an extra unwanted 'are you sure' prompt for those who should
> get post-approval...  It doesn't seem to be fatal to forget to click
> this box, as it will then just go to the appropriate approval level  
> for
> approval -- it won't be sitting waiting forever, I think?
>
>> Otherwise it seems that it: 1) people may be
>> confused about what step to take next or 2) the liaison may not get
>> posted, without the person quite realizing it that they failed to  
>> post
>> it correctly.
>
> 1) can be handled by a note in the page coming up after posting which
> indicates that the post has been sent to so-and-so for approval,  
> maybe?
>
> 2) should never occur, as the post will then go for approval in a
> normal manner, no?
>
> Regards,
>
> 	Henrik
>
>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Stephanie McCammon
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>>>
>>> From: Emilio Sanchez [mailto:esanchez@yaco.es]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:20 PM
>>> To: Alexa Morris
>>> Cc: Henrik Levkowetz; Russ Housley; Stephanie McCammon
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [yaco-liaison-tool] Acceptance?
>>>
>>>   I've manage to fix the server so you can try whenever you want :)
>>>
>>> 2010/10/12 Alexa Morris <amorris@amsl.com>
>>> Thanks! I'll check back tomorrow and spend some time playing in the
>>> tool.
>>>
>>> Much appreciated,
>>> Alexa
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Emilio Sanchez wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Hi Alexa,
>>>>
>>>>   In the beta server beta.lsmt.yaco.es you have different test
>>>> users (username/password):
>>>>
>>>> admin/admin
>>>> This user is an IETF Liaison Manager
>>>> external/external
>>>> This user is an SDO Manager of 3GPP and WIPO
>>>> This user is an SDO Authorized of IEEE 802 and Open Grid Forum
>>>> internal/internal
>>>> This user is the Area Director of the Application Area
>>>> This user is a Working Group Secretary of 'Performance Metrics for
>>>> Other Layers' group.
>>>> internal2/internal2
>>>> This user is the IETF/IESG Chair
>>>> This user is the IAB Executive Chair
>>>>    Probably you want to use admin/admin cause this user is able to
>>>> do almost anything.
>>>>
>>>>    By the way, it seems that the beta server is down right now.
>>>> I'm opening a ticket to our systems team so it will be fixed
>>>> tomorrow early in the morning.
>>>>
>>>>    Regards,
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/12 Alexa Morris <amorris@amsl.com>
>>>> Henrik, Emilio,
>>>>
>>>> Looks like the Secretariat should get familiar with the new tool
>>>> ASAP! :-)
>>>>
>>>> I am reviewing, along with Stephanie McCammon (who processes
>>>> liaisons for the Secretariat) the new user manual. And I'd like us
>>>> to be able to play with the tool a bit as well, but I'm not sure if
>>>> we have a username / password to get into it. We may have received
>>>> one some time ago, not sure, but if we did I cannot locate it.
>>>>
>>>> Can someone please create an account on the tool so that we can
>>>> familiarize ourselves with it?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> Alexa
>>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>> From: Patrik Fältström <paf@cisco.com>
>>>> Date: October 11, 2010 8:03:07 AM PDT
>>>> To: Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>
>>>> Cc: yaco-liaison-tool@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [yaco-liaison-tool] Acceptance?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11 okt 2010, at 16.51, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is it sorted out who is doing all the work with assigning the roles
>>>> at time of launch?
>>>>
>>>> No.  What would you suggest as the optimal approach?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have whoever handle the statements@ietf.org do the following:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Add the IAB and IETF chairs, wg chairs, area directors etc as
>>>> apropriate (as described in the document).
>>>>
>>>> 2. Add the liaisons in the IETF assigned and named on the IAB list
>>>> of liaisons.
>>>>
>>>> [done]
>>>>
>>>> Later: Have those liaisons be able to report (or possibly add) the
>>>> external liaisons that should be able to file incoming liaisons.
>>>>
>>>> Patrik
>>>>
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