Re: [yaco-liaison-tool] Acceptance?

Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> Thu, 14 October 2010 10:26 UTC

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Hi Patrik,

One thought, inline:

On 2010-10-13 20:55 Patrik Fältström said:
> I think the default behaviour to start with is that all postings made
> DO have prior approval. I.e. this tool is not for approval, or
> editing of things before something is posted. One day it might be
> that the default is that people do NOT have approval, but that is not
> the case today.

So should the 'prior approval' checkbox be checked by default, for now?

Best,

	Henrik

> So I think we are fine. People are just asked "do you have approval"
> as a last resort check "please think before you post".
> 
> Not as a formal approval/editing system, because that is happening
> out of bound.> 
>    Patrik
> 
> On 13 okt 2010, at 18.52, Alexa Morris wrote:
> 
>> Ah, got it. Thanks, all of that seems perfect then, thanks. Though I think that a note indicating that the liaison has been sent to the appropriate person for approval would be helpful, if it's not too much to add.
>>
>> Alexa
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Alexa,
>>>
>>> On 2010-10-13 17:26 Alexa Morris said:
>>>> See inline:
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 13, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Emilio Sanchez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.  When you enter an outgoing liaison statement it doesn't seem to
>>>>> show up in the liaison list once it is submitted.  However, if you
>>>>> attempt to submit the same liaison a second time it says that a
>>>>> liaison of that name has already been submitted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    When you send an outgoing liaison you have to mark that you
>>>>> have prior approval to send it. There is a checkbox to do this.
>>>>> Probably you didn't check it so the liaison is not public until
>>>>> someone approves it. The person who can approve the liaison depends
>>>>> on who you select the liaison comes from (If the liaison comes from
>>>>> a WG then the Area director can approve, if it comes from the IETF
>>>>> then the IETF chair should approve it.
>>>>>
>>>>>    If you check that checkbox when creating the liaison then is
>>>>> supposed you have obtained prior approval so the liaison will go
>>>>> public without any other user interaction.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is very helpful, thanks! What should we do if we forget to click
>>>> "obtained prior approval"? Would it be possible (or desirable?) to get
>>>> a "you have not indicated that you have prior approval to post this
>>>> liaison. If you do not, please obtain approval before proceeding" or
>>>> some such warning?
>>>
>>> That may seem desirable if one is mainly posting _with_ prior approval,
>>> but adds an extra unwanted 'are you sure' prompt for those who should
>>> get post-approval...  It doesn't seem to be fatal to forget to click
>>> this box, as it will then just go to the appropriate approval level for
>>> approval -- it won't be sitting waiting forever, I think?
>>>
>>>> Otherwise it seems that it: 1) people may be
>>>> confused about what step to take next or 2) the liaison may not get
>>>> posted, without the person quite realizing it that they failed to post
>>>> it correctly.
>>>
>>> 1) can be handled by a note in the page coming up after posting which
>>> indicates that the post has been sent to so-and-so for approval, maybe?
>>>
>>> 2) should never occur, as the post will then go for approval in a
>>> normal manner, no?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> 	Henrik
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephanie McCammon
>>>>> IETF Registrar
>>>>> 48377 Fremont Blvd, Ste. 117
>>>>> Fremont, CA 94538
>>>>> T: +1.510.492.4081
>>>>> F: +1.510.492.4001
>>>>>
>>>>> Association Management Solutions (AMS)
>>>>> Forum Management, Meeting, and Event Planning
>>>>> www.amsl.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Emilio Sanchez [mailto:esanchez@yaco.es]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:20 PM
>>>>> To: Alexa Morris
>>>>> Cc: Henrik Levkowetz; Russ Housley; Stephanie McCammon
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [yaco-liaison-tool] Acceptance?
>>>>>
>>>>>  I've manage to fix the server so you can try whenever you want :)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/12 Alexa Morris <amorris@amsl.com>
>>>>> Thanks! I'll check back tomorrow and spend some time playing in the
>>>>> tool.
>>>>>
>>>>> Much appreciated,
>>>>> Alexa
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 12, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Emilio Sanchez wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hi Alexa,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  In the beta server beta.lsmt.yaco.es you have different test
>>>>>> users (username/password):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> admin/admin
>>>>>> This user is an IETF Liaison Manager
>>>>>> external/external
>>>>>> This user is an SDO Manager of 3GPP and WIPO
>>>>>> This user is an SDO Authorized of IEEE 802 and Open Grid Forum
>>>>>> internal/internal
>>>>>> This user is the Area Director of the Application Area
>>>>>> This user is a Working Group Secretary of 'Performance Metrics for
>>>>>> Other Layers' group.
>>>>>> internal2/internal2
>>>>>> This user is the IETF/IESG Chair
>>>>>> This user is the IAB Executive Chair
>>>>>>   Probably you want to use admin/admin cause this user is able to
>>>>>> do almost anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   By the way, it seems that the beta server is down right now.
>>>>>> I'm opening a ticket to our systems team so it will be fixed
>>>>>> tomorrow early in the morning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/12 Alexa Morris <amorris@amsl.com>
>>>>>> Henrik, Emilio,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like the Secretariat should get familiar with the new tool
>>>>>> ASAP! :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am reviewing, along with Stephanie McCammon (who processes
>>>>>> liaisons for the Secretariat) the new user manual. And I'd like us
>>>>>> to be able to play with the tool a bit as well, but I'm not sure if
>>>>>> we have a username / password to get into it. We may have received
>>>>>> one some time ago, not sure, but if we did I cannot locate it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can someone please create an account on the tool so that we can
>>>>>> familiarize ourselves with it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>> Alexa
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Patrik Fältström <paf@cisco.com>
>>>>>> Date: October 11, 2010 8:03:07 AM PDT
>>>>>> To: Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>
>>>>>> Cc: yaco-liaison-tool@ietf.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [yaco-liaison-tool] Acceptance?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11 okt 2010, at 16.51, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it sorted out who is doing all the work with assigning the roles
>>>>>> at time of launch?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No.  What would you suggest as the optimal approach?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have whoever handle the statements@ietf.org do the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Add the IAB and IETF chairs, wg chairs, area directors etc as
>>>>>> apropriate (as described in the document).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Add the liaisons in the IETF assigned and named on the IAB list
>>>>>> of liaisons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [done]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Later: Have those liaisons be able to report (or possibly add) the
>>>>>> external liaisons that should be able to file incoming liaisons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrik
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>> Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF
>>>>>> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA  94538
>>>>>> Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001
>>>>>> Email: amorris@amsl.com
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------
>>>>> Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF
>>>>> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA  94538
>>>>> Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001
>>>>> Email: amorris@amsl.com
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA  94538
>>>> Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001
>>>> Email: amorris@amsl.com
>>>>
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>>>>
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>> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA  94538
>> Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001
>> Email: amorris@amsl.com
>>
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>> www.amsl.com <http://www.amsl.com/>
>>
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