Re: [yaco-liaison-tool] Acceptance?

Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> Wed, 13 October 2010 16:14 UTC

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Hi Alexa,

On 2010-10-13 17:26 Alexa Morris said:
> See inline:
> 
> On Oct 13, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Emilio Sanchez wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> 3.  When you enter an outgoing liaison statement it doesn't seem to  
>> show up in the liaison list once it is submitted.  However, if you  
>> attempt to submit the same liaison a second time it says that a  
>> liaison of that name has already been submitted.
>>
>>
>>      When you send an outgoing liaison you have to mark that you  
>> have prior approval to send it. There is a checkbox to do this.  
>> Probably you didn't check it so the liaison is not public until  
>> someone approves it. The person who can approve the liaison depends  
>> on who you select the liaison comes from (If the liaison comes from  
>> a WG then the Area director can approve, if it comes from the IETF  
>> then the IETF chair should approve it.
>>
>>      If you check that checkbox when creating the liaison then is  
>> supposed you have obtained prior approval so the liaison will go  
>> public without any other user interaction.
>>
>>
> 
> This is very helpful, thanks! What should we do if we forget to click  
> "obtained prior approval"? Would it be possible (or desirable?) to get  
> a "you have not indicated that you have prior approval to post this  
> liaison. If you do not, please obtain approval before proceeding" or  
> some such warning?

That may seem desirable if one is mainly posting _with_ prior approval,
but adds an extra unwanted 'are you sure' prompt for those who should
get post-approval...  It doesn't seem to be fatal to forget to click
this box, as it will then just go to the appropriate approval level for
approval -- it won't be sitting waiting forever, I think?

> Otherwise it seems that it: 1) people may be  
> confused about what step to take next or 2) the liaison may not get  
> posted, without the person quite realizing it that they failed to post  
> it correctly.

1) can be handled by a note in the page coming up after posting which
indicates that the post has been sent to so-and-so for approval, maybe?

2) should never occur, as the post will then go for approval in a
normal manner, no?

Regards,

	Henrik

> 
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Stephanie McCammon
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>>
>> From: Emilio Sanchez [mailto:esanchez@yaco.es]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:20 PM
>> To: Alexa Morris
>> Cc: Henrik Levkowetz; Russ Housley; Stephanie McCammon
>>
>> Subject: Re: [yaco-liaison-tool] Acceptance?
>>
>>    I've manage to fix the server so you can try whenever you want :)
>>
>> 2010/10/12 Alexa Morris <amorris@amsl.com>
>> Thanks! I'll check back tomorrow and spend some time playing in the  
>> tool.
>>
>> Much appreciated,
>> Alexa
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Emilio Sanchez wrote:
>>
>>>    Hi Alexa,
>>>
>>>    In the beta server beta.lsmt.yaco.es you have different test  
>>> users (username/password):
>>>
>>> admin/admin
>>> This user is an IETF Liaison Manager
>>> external/external
>>> This user is an SDO Manager of 3GPP and WIPO
>>> This user is an SDO Authorized of IEEE 802 and Open Grid Forum
>>> internal/internal
>>> This user is the Area Director of the Application Area
>>> This user is a Working Group Secretary of 'Performance Metrics for  
>>> Other Layers' group.
>>> internal2/internal2
>>> This user is the IETF/IESG Chair
>>> This user is the IAB Executive Chair
>>>     Probably you want to use admin/admin cause this user is able to  
>>> do almost anything.
>>>
>>>     By the way, it seems that the beta server is down right now.  
>>> I'm opening a ticket to our systems team so it will be fixed  
>>> tomorrow early in the morning.
>>>
>>>     Regards,
>>>
>>> 2010/10/12 Alexa Morris <amorris@amsl.com>
>>> Henrik, Emilio,
>>>
>>> Looks like the Secretariat should get familiar with the new tool  
>>> ASAP! :-)
>>>
>>> I am reviewing, along with Stephanie McCammon (who processes  
>>> liaisons for the Secretariat) the new user manual. And I'd like us  
>>> to be able to play with the tool a bit as well, but I'm not sure if  
>>> we have a username / password to get into it. We may have received  
>>> one some time ago, not sure, but if we did I cannot locate it.
>>>
>>> Can someone please create an account on the tool so that we can  
>>> familiarize ourselves with it?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Alexa
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: Patrik Fältström <paf@cisco.com>
>>> Date: October 11, 2010 8:03:07 AM PDT
>>> To: Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>
>>> Cc: yaco-liaison-tool@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [yaco-liaison-tool] Acceptance?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11 okt 2010, at 16.51, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>>
>>> Is it sorted out who is doing all the work with assigning the roles  
>>> at time of launch?
>>>
>>> No.  What would you suggest as the optimal approach?
>>>
>>>
>>> Have whoever handle the statements@ietf.org do the following:
>>>
>>> 1. Add the IAB and IETF chairs, wg chairs, area directors etc as  
>>> apropriate (as described in the document).
>>>
>>> 2. Add the liaisons in the IETF assigned and named on the IAB list  
>>> of liaisons.
>>>
>>> [done]
>>>
>>> Later: Have those liaisons be able to report (or possibly add) the  
>>> external liaisons that should be able to file incoming liaisons.
>>>
>>>  Patrik
>>>
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>>
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