Re: [yam] draft-daboo-srv-email: POP3S/IMAPS?
Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com> Mon, 18 January 2010 17:11 UTC
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Subject: Re: [yam] draft-daboo-srv-email: POP3S/IMAPS?
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> On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, Ned Freed wrote: > > > > > Why does the spec provision for IMAPS and POP3S? > > > > Because a provisioning mechanism that fails to deal with the needs ot > > real-world deployments - and there's plenty of this secure port stuff deployed > > out there - makes itself far less likely to deploy. > In that case shouldn't it also document smtps? Is smtps as widely deployed as pops or imaps? If it is then yes, it should be in there. But if it isn't - and my experience has been that it isn't - then there's no need. This all goes back to when the various different protocols added and deployed extension mechanisms as compared with when SSL/TLS support was added and deployed. The SMTP extension mechansim came first in terms of definition and deployment, so that when SSL/TLS came along the path of least resistance was to use STARTTLS inside the protocol. POP3 extensibility came much later, so pops was the past of least resistance there. And IMAP is somewhere in the middle. (I actually don't know if in terms of deployment imaps is worth having in there, but pops sure is.) Ned
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- Re: [yam] draft-daboo-srv-email: POP3S/IMAPS? Ned Freed
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- Re: [yam] [Imap-protocol] draft-daboo-srv-email: … Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [yam] draft-daboo-srv-email: POP3S/IMAPS? Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [yam] draft-daboo-srv-email: POP3S/IMAPS? Tony Finch
- Re: [yam] [Imap-protocol] Re: draft-daboo-srv-ema… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [yam] [Imap-protocol] Re: draft-daboo-srv-ema… Tony Finch
- Re: [yam] [Imap-protocol] Re: draft-daboo-srv-ema… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [yam] [Imap-protocol] Re: draft-daboo-srv-ema… Timo Sirainen
- Re: [yam] [Imap-protocol] Re: draft-daboo-srv-ema… Tony Finch
- Re: [yam] draft-daboo-srv-email: POP3S/IMAPS? Ned Freed
- Re: [yam] draft-daboo-srv-email: POP3S/IMAPS? Tony Finch
- Re: [yam] draft-daboo-srv-email: POP3S/IMAPS? Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [yam] [Imap-protocol] Re: draft-daboo-srv-ema… Ned Freed
- Re: [yam] draft-daboo-srv-email: POP3S/IMAPS? Ned Freed
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