Re: [YANG] default values
Jon Saperia <saperia@jdscons.com> Wed, 16 January 2008 16:54 UTC
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From: Jon Saperia <saperia@jdscons.com>
Subject: Re: [YANG] default values
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:54:38 -0500
To: Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@cesnet.cz>
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On Jan 16, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > Jon Saperia píše v St 16. 01. 2008 v 10:20 -0500: >>> We will never have standard writable knobs until vendors understand >>> the concept of a standard, and make an effort to define some >>> standard knobs, which actually provide enough functionality >>> to configure the device. >> >> And they believe it is in their best interest (beyond lip service and >> Marketing) to have the standard. There are plenty of smart people at >> vendors, they have the money to do it. If they really wanted it and >> the customers really wanted to push it we would have them. It has >> nothing to do with technology. >> /jon > > That's why I believe it won't help to specify the default in the data > model. And it's not necessary - I can actually imagine a manager > station > that follows the standards and changes the wrong defaults in > misbehaving > devices - and showing the user only non-default values, but > according to > its own set of defaults, not necessarily the devices'. > > Lada I understand your perspective but even though I said what I said, if we were to go down this path, defaults can be helpful. Any manager that attempts the configuration function will have to be pretty sophisticated because of the variability (even with standards) that will be sure to exist. That does not mean that they will not do bad things from time to time, but the market has a way of fixing things. /jon _______________________________________________ YANG mailing list YANG@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang
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