Re: [YANG] default values
Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@cesnet.cz> Fri, 18 January 2008 14:20 UTC
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Subject: Re: [YANG] default values
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Juergen Schoenwaelder píše v Pá 18. 01. 2008 v 14:29 +0100: > On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 05:57:09PM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > Andy Bierman p????e v ??t 17. 01. 2008 v 07:42 -0800: > > > I strongly object to removing the default-stmt. > > > As Balazs pointed out, if a WG does not agree on a suitable > > > default value, they do not have to define one. This clause > > > is needed to support NETCONF, not only to provide as much > > > machine-readable info about the data model characteristics, > > > but to simplify NETCONF tasks for operators and applications. > > > > Operators should only be concerned with the defaults used by their front > > ends - and these would typically include much more than just the MUST > > defaults that YANG can handle. > > I believe the assumption of the availability of a smart frontend > won't work for all. For me, usefulness without a smart frontend is a > requirement. If there are requirements folks here, please write this > down. I didn't say "smart frontend". Even the standard input used for connecting server's ssh subsystem is a frontend (dumb, right). However, in this case no substitution of defaults happens at the client side and I would require the poor user to type in all elements&values he wants to change. In the default merge mode of edit-config it's not an issue anyway. Lada > > /js > -- Ladislav Lhotka, CESNET PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C _______________________________________________ YANG mailing list YANG@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang
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