Re: [Acme] Editorial fixes in GitHub

Ilari Liusvaara <ilariliusvaara@welho.com> Wed, 25 January 2017 17:57 UTC

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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:57:43 +0200
From: Ilari Liusvaara <ilariliusvaara@welho.com>
To: Josh Soref <jsoref@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Acme] Editorial fixes in GitHub
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On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 08:32:45AM -0500, Josh Soref wrote:
> Please don't. I just started and haven't had time to explain the
> problems certbot and boulder are experiencing. 
> 
> But, on the spot:
> The error handling approach doesn't scale well, doesn't lead to
> good errors for end users, and makes it virtually impossible for
> clients (like certbot) to provide localized error messages.

The primary task of those error message is for users to troubleshoot.

>From LE community forum threads, the following seem to be the most
frequent validation errors (in no practicular order)

- Rate limiting errors (certs per FQDNset)
- Rate limiting errors (certs per domain).
- Bad DNS names requested
- DNS names classed as high-risk.
- DNS names blocked by GSB.
- NXDOMAIN from DNS.
- Horked DNS server doesn't understand 0x20 hack.
- Horked DNS server barfs on CAA records.
- Various temporary DNS server horkage (rarely DNSSEC).
- Only RFC1918 IP in DNS (for HTTP-01/TLS-SNI-01).
- No IPs at all (no A nor AAAA) in DNS (for HTTP-01/TLS-SNI-01)
- Wrong IP in DNS.
- Connect failure to 80 or 443 port (either firewall or not
  listening at all).
- Port 443 responding with HTTP (yes, really).
- HTTP-01 responds with 4XX error.
- HTTP-01 responds with spew of HTML with 200 code
- HTTP-01 redirects to unexpected place.
- TLS-SNI-01 sends some default cert.
- TLS-SNI-01 sends fatal alert.
- DNS-01 propagation failure.


Of course, most have variety of causes.




-Ilari