Re: [Anima] Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-22: (with COMMENT)
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Wed, 17 July 2019 17:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Anima] Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-22: (with COMMENT)
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Mirja Kuehlewind <ietf@kuehlewind.net> wrote: >> okay. >> >>> to section 10.2: if ownership is "enforced" by the manufacturer, >>> there should also probably be a way for the buyer to check if >>> ownership was transferred by the saler during the re-sale process. >> >> So you are asking for an additional API from the JRC to the MASA. It >> would need to include something like: >> >> a) a POST from selling-JRC to MASA to ask MASA for if a resale would >> be granted. This could result in some statement that the seller could >> show to the buyer that would validate that the transaction can occur. >> b) a POST from selling-JRC to MASA to indicate to whom the sale was >> made, this would have to include some reference to the buyer. c) a >> GET from the selling-JRc and also buyer-JRC that would ask who the >> current owners is supposed to be. >> >> (c) could in theory be done with the auditlog, provided that the (b) >> process installed the buyer as an authorized entity that could query >> the auditlog. It would probably be better to have the MASA do the >> thinking here, rather than the JRC. >> >> I can imagine creating such APIs. There probably needs to be some >> buyer-JRC/seller-JRC APIs, or at least conventions. This could easily >> become a rathole attracting all sorts of online sales API. Were this >> to be added to this document, or to an extension document, I'd want to >> have significant involvement from some people who build >> financial/sales systems, or at least From the operations divisions of >> some buyers (operators) and sellers (vendors). > I was mostly thinking about discussing this case in the text, rather > than add a specific mechanism. E.g. you could say c) is an option that > can be used right away and a more dedicated interface could be > considered in future. The auditlog can not be used in advance to see if ownership will be transfered. It's retrospective. So it does not provide a way for the buyer to check if ownership can/will be transfered. We would still need (b) in order to notify the MASA of the intent to sell. If the IETF wants to get into APIs for sales integration, I would be there, but my feeling is that this is layers above where we normally go. (My colleague Joseph Potvin hopes to convince us otherwise with with a HotRFC talk on sunday). >>> Two other small comments on more load related points: >> >>> 1) sec 4.1: "Connection attempts SHOULD be run in parallel to avoid >>> head of queue problems wherein an attacker running a fake proxy or >>> registrar could perform protocol actions intentionally slowly. The >>> pledge SHOULD continue to listen to for additional GRASP M_FLOOD >>> messages during the connection attempts." One minor comment: Maybe >>> also say explicitly, while running in parallel, one should not send >>> all initial messages at exactly the same time but pace them out >>> (e.g. one every 3 secs) to avoid network overload when initial >>> connectivity is very constraint. >> >> I take your point. In the ANIMA ACP situation, please think about the >> situation as being a multiport BFR with three+ 100G fiber connections >> to other cities. Or, one or more ports plugged into some (unmanaged or >> probably outsourced) L2 fabric that has multiple other ACP devices on >> it. > I guess that doesn’t map to the IoT case that is also discussed in the > doc. However, this is a usual safety measure we are building in all > protocols (expect there is a good reason to do otherwise), e.g. also > for routing protocols, because you never know for sure how future > deployment scenarios will look like. I have added some text as you suggest, btw. I am concerned about the "IoT case that is also discussed", as we are trying hard to not say anything normative about IoT in *this* document, because one size does not fit all. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [
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