Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Capport "API"
Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Tue, 18 April 2017 00:50 UTC
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From: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 10:50:44 +1000
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Subject: Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Capport "API"
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On 7 April 2017 at 22:08, David Bird <dbird@google.com> wrote: > To be clear, Gmail hyperlinked boingo.com for me... but, the point is that > the UE/capport detection parsed and validated (checked the cert and cert > status) of the FQDN. It is not some URL with questionable formatting... I think that you missed my point. The foundation for HTTPS is that there is an expectation of server identity when navigation is initiated. The same cannot be said in this context.
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Erik Kline
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Erik Kline
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Mark Nottingham
- [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Michael Richardson
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Michael Richardson
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Dave Dolson
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Erik Kline
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Niall Hogg
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Christian Saunders
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Dave Dolson
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Erik Kline
- [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Capport… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Kyle Larose
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Christian Saunders
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Tim Chown
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Erik Kline
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Erik Kline
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Christian Saunders
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Dave Dolson
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Christian Saunders
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Dave Dolson
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Dave Dolson
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Christian Saunders
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Christian Saunders
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Christian Saunders
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Sascha.Dech
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Vincent van Dam
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Vincent van Dam
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Erik Kline
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… Erik Kline
- Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Cap… David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Kyle Larose
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens David Bird
- Re: [Captive-portals] time-based walled gardens Erik Kline