Re: [CCAMP] Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-10: (with COMMENT)

["Yemin (Amy)" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Mirja,

It seems I misunderstood the rules. I thought non-IETF documents have to stay in informative section, even if they are to be read to understand the new RFC. 
We will move them back to the normative reference section. 
Thank you. 

BR,
Amy
-----Original Message-----
From: Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) [mailto:[e-mail]] 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:26 PM
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Subject: Re: Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-10: (with COMMENT)

Hi Amy,

not sure which part of the statement below you are relying you decision on but the document says:

"Normative references specify documents that must be read to understand or implement the technology in the new RFC“

So, as you say below, as these reference are needed to implement it correctly, they must be normative.

It is possible for non-IETF document to be normative as long as the reference are stable and open.

Mirja



> Am 26.10.2018 um 03:28 schrieb Yemin (Amy) <[e-mail]>:
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> Hi Mirja, 
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> Thanks for your comment. 
> Yes, these on-IETF specs are to be understood when correctly implement this YANG model.
> They are not completed removed from the draft. After shepherd write-up, those documents are moved to informative reference section according to thehttps://www.ietf.org/blog/iesg-statement-normative-and-informative-references/. I hope we understand the rules correctly.
>  
> BR,
> Amy, on behalf of co-authors 
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> The shepherd write-up says that there have been normative references to non-IETF docs which seem to have been removed now. I wondering is that is correct. I'm by far not an expert and didn't have time to review this doc in detail but I would think that you would need to know some details of these on-IETF specs in-order to fully understand and correctly implement this YANG model, no?