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Re: [Cfrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-cfrg-randomness-improvements-08.txt

"Christopher Wood" <caw@heapingbits.net> Tue, 03 December 2019 21:18 UTC

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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 13:17:45 -0800
From: Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net>
To: "Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev" <smyshsv@gmail.com>, "Riad S. Wahby" <rsw@jfet.org>, Christopher Wood <christopherwood07@gmail.com>, Nick Sullivan <nick@cloudflare.com>
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-cfrg-randomness-improvements-08.txt
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On Wed, Nov 27, 2019, at 1:56 AM, Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev wrote:
> >> In this case, it seems like a separate document for other constructions
> is definitely more appropriate---no sense introducing serious delay for
> this document
> 
> Many thanks, Riad!
> 
> I'll definitely think about this - maybe it will be reasonable to 
> arrange a discussion of this (with slides, at CFRG) at IETF 107 and 
> initiate a document on this.
> If you don't mind, I'll get in touch with you off-list in the beginning 
> of 2020 - to discuss, what should be included in such a document. Would 
> you like to participate in this?..
> 
> >> But: would it be possible to clarify, maybe just in the intro, that 
> this document is primarily geared toward the HSM case?
> I think that mentioning HSMs as one of most important cases when the 
> construction is needed, can be helpful. 
> Chris, Nick, what do you think?

+1 -- this makes sense to me!

Best,
Chris

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