Re: [Cfrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-cfrg-randomness-improvements-08.txt

Benjamin Beurdouche <benjamin.beurdouche@inria.fr> Wed, 04 December 2019 11:08 UTC

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> I think HSM is too narrow a term. I'd be open to talking about cases in which the private key is inaccessible to the application, but a signing interface is available. HSMs, TPMs are the most concrete examples, but not the only ones.  

“Cryptographic token” ?

B.