[dispatch] Observations on process after reviewing the iotl draft
Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> Thu, 18 December 2014 21:20 UTC
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Subject: [dispatch] Observations on process after reviewing the iotl draft
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All - I just sent in a gen-art LC review on the iotl draft. While putting that review together, I went back through the email discussion of the draft, and when taking it in all at once like that I saw a few things I think we should discuss. First, Christer has worked very hard to do the right thing, and to get the IETF community to do the right thing with this draft. Thank you Christer. Please keep doing that. Our response as a community was underwhelming, and very slow. I don't think we need to beat any individuals up about that, but I do think we have an opportunity to study how this went, so we can do better with other things. There were concerns raised early (last May) about the design (URI parameter vs header field parameter) that I don't think were well resolved on list. When that discussion came up, I think we should have taken it as a flag that this would have benefited from a WG discussing it with a chair driving the discussion. When we decide to send something off to AD sponsorship in the future, the AD should watch for similar conversations and send it back to us (and we should help the AD of the time recognize what's happening). Again, I'm not trying to call what's in this document into question at this point. I just wish we had done better back in May. Much of the discussion danced around URI parameters requiring standards-track, and header parameters only requiring informational, rather than which of those things (or something else) might have the most technical merit (and based on the conversation, there were implementors vested in the choice that had been made before the draft came here). As we've often seen, this points to bringing the problem here earlier, rather than the solution. It also points out that the current standards-track requirement for URI parameters is probably overkill. I'd like to suggest we change that to specification required with expert review. The expert would not allow parameters that changed the semantics of the protocol unless the specification happened to be an IETF stream standards track document. It was an interesting experiment using the dispatch list to refine the document's technical content. In my opinion, we should not do that again. RjS
- [dispatch] Observations on process after reviewin… Robert Sparks
- Re: [dispatch] Observations on process after revi… Andrew Allen
- Re: [dispatch] Observations on process after revi… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [dispatch] Observations on process after revi… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] Observations on process after revi… Dale R. Worley