Re: [dna] Review of draft-ietf-dna-simple-11
"Bernard Aboba" <bernard_aboba@hotmail.com> Tue, 24 November 2009 18:14 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dna] Review of draft-ietf-dna-simple-11
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Ted Lemon said: "From section 2.1: o False positives are not acceptable. A host should not conclude that there is no link change when there is one. o False negatives are acceptable. A host can conclude that there is a link change when there is none. This seems backwards, unless there is no cost to a false negative. If a host concludes that there was a link change when there was none, and as a consequence abandons the IP addresses it was using on the previous link, that's going to create a (potentially noticeable) hiccup while it reacquires its address. Depending on the IP stack, it's possible that connections might also be broken, e.g. if a syscall returns EHOSTUNREACH due to a transient routing outage." The paragraphs above do not correctly define the meaning of "false positive" and "false negative". Here is what RFC 4436 says: o As a performance optimization, it must not sacrifice correctness. In other words, false positives are not acceptable. DNAv4 must not conclude that a host has returned to a previously visited link where it has an operable IP address if this is not in fact the case. o As a performance optimization, false negatives are acceptable. It is not an absolute requirement that this optimization correctly recognize a previously visited link in all possible cases. For example, if a router ignores unicast ARP Requests, then DNAv4 will not be able to detect that it has returned to the same link in the future. This is acceptable because the host still operates correctly as it did without DNAv4, just without the performance benefit. Users and network operators who desire the performance improvement offered by DNAv4 can upgrade their routers to support DNAv4.
- Re: [dna] Review of draft-ietf-dna-simple-11 Laganier, Julien
- [dna] Review of draft-ietf-dna-simple-11 Ted Lemon
- Re: [dna] Review of draft-ietf-dna-simple-11 Bernard Aboba
- Re: [dna] Review of draft-ietf-dna-simple-11 Bernard Aboba
- Re: [dna] Review of draft-ietf-dna-simple-11 Bernard Aboba
- Re: [dna] Review of draft-ietf-dna-simple-11 Bernard Aboba
- Re: [dna] Review of draft-ietf-dna-simple-11 Thomas Narten
- Re: [dna] Review of draft-ietf-dna-simple-11 Bernard Aboba
- Re: [dna] Review of draft-ietf-dna-simple-11 Ted Lemon
- Re: [dna] Review of draft-ietf-dna-simple-11 Erik Nordmark
- Re: [dna] Review of draft-ietf-dna-simple-11 Bernard Aboba
- Re: [dna] Review of draft-ietf-dna-simple-11 Erik Nordmark